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vscott
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Topic: Club Duties - How many?Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 5:40pm |
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We are a small, entirely volunteer run club and try to keep it to 1 duty per single member, 2 per family and helping out at a working party or Open Event. It is part of membership and explained to all prospective members.
We try to ensure the members who don't like racing are offered non racing duties but there only a few of those. If someone does not do a duty, another member gets an extra burden which is hardly fair. Freeloaders are generally less popular in any environment. We have vaguely thought that qualified students could be 'employed' to do safety duties by those who want to avoid them but not sure of legal implications. Another is some members are just not reliable in a safety boat and are not keen on doing a duty in the galley - what then! Dutyman has helped. |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 6:08pm |
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Crikey, how do you keep it so low? Our duty team is typically two in each of two RIB's (4), plus RO, ARO, CDO (=OOD), and two in the galley. That's 9 people every Sunday. At my old club, we had RO + ARO who did a committee boat start and then became the safety boat crew. On return to the club, one of the racers would open the bar with others helping as necessary while the RO worked out the handicaps. That's two only people missing their sail! Of course, we had the odd delayed start when the committee boat became a rescue boat prematurely, and no hot food, but that's a small price to pay in my view for 78% fewer duties. OK, we were a small club with racing turnouts of maybe a dozen max. compared to Wilsonian's 30-40. There are also health and safety enthusiasts to contend with at every turn these days. Nonetheless, the contrast between 2 people and 9 is striking. |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 6:36pm |
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At Hill Head we have about 800 or 900 members, i have 3 or 4 safety boat or instructor duties to do this year, and I'll probably end up helping with open meetings I'm not sailing in as car/boat park person. I think most of the bar officers do 1 duty a month but we have the bar open every evening and lunchtimes at weekends. |
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vscott
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 7:09pm |
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We keep it low because we only race on Sundays and only 2 in the galley, 4 in the patrol and 1 poor OOD on their own. However as we are a growing club it means we are introducing an ARO on days which will be busy to help take the times.
On Saturdays there are usually 2 on patrol to help with training. |
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 10:05pm |
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I'm starting to wish that I hadn't asked the original question - I'm beginning to think that we are being over-worked at our club! Our usual allocated duty teams consist of 1 RO with 2 assistants, 1 Beachmaster, 4-5 people in RIBs. 2 on the bar, and 1-2 galley slaves to assist 1-2 cooks! The bar/galley crews are not necessarily sailing members, so there are usually enough of them to pick from the membership, but strangely the source of most no-shows. I'm thankful that we can usually hold races owing to most people turning up. No racing due to a lack of rescue bods would be a disaster - Whoever is desperate for a drink is likely to stand in behind the bar, at least temporarily! No-shows result in a call from Committee/Commodore. Membership renewal will be questioned in the case of consistent no-shows. |
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Mikey 14778
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Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 10:32pm |
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Galley duty got ditched ages ago at my club - nobody wanted to do it. So I'm not surprised that this is
the source of most of your no-shows. At least the other duties involve water and boats, but standing around doing sandwiches and coffee is the pits. I think you *are* being overworked at your club, but maybe a low membership fee is the flip-side. We pay our rescue crews, and the food is contracted out, but of course this all costs money which ultimately comes from the members. Finding a good compromise between cost and workload is tricky. As is the compromise between engendering a clubby atmosphere and driving away non-compliant members. It's a tricky one to get right. |
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 10:52am |
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You're right Mikey. Galley duty is less popular than the bar duty, and our membership base is well-dispersed, so people tend to casually "forget" that they have a duty. However, we do have plenty of willing volunteers and mums who do a great job. Overworked? I'm inclined to agree - but yes we do pay MUCH lower annual fees than the club down the road. I think I mentioned to ASok a few posts ago, that the way forward is to get more people on the water doing water duties - We spend (IMO) way too much time doing on the water duties for the number of members/number of people actually competing in a race. Unless racing at every opportunity, it does feel like about a third of our time is tied up on the water, but not sailing! Rant over. |
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 12:06pm |
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I was going to ask how many people you have out racing to need a staff of 10 to 12 people doing duties. Having been a member of a number of clubs the most duties I've had to do in any year is 3. And as I do Rescue boat, I get 1 more than most of the other regular members. However the commitee members of every club I've been a member of always do more than the regular members. But 15 is way to many.
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 1:12pm |
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Looking at how many people are racing on a good, typical day = 30ish We are always pushed to recruit rescuers/ROs - most people who sail maybe 5 times a year should do them, but because they aren't regular racers, they don't really count towards the rescue crews. When I first started, I had 1 duty, then 4 in a year. Last year's 15 has now dropped to 8 rescue boat duties, but there will no doubt be at least 1 bar duty to come. |
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Mikey 14778
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Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 1:24pm |
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If they're getting you to do more duties of one type, you should get a reduction in the other type(s). It's
not fair to say that you can do the set number of duties in every department PLUS a whole load of rescue duties as a result of you being qualified to do 'em where others aren't. FWIW, at my club you can't go near a rescue boat without a powerboat L2 certificate, and even that won't let you rescue anyone (hence why we pay our boatmen). |
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