New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Rule 87
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Rule 87

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>
Author
jeffers View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 29 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3048
Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Rule 87
    Posted: 18 Mar 09 at 8:46am
Actually Rule 87 is not a new rule, it was in the previous RRS just well hidden so most people missed it.

The way round it (and this is what we do at Hunts) is to create a 'local class' (there are no restrictions on this) that uses all the same rules as class x (for example International Laser) and then have your variations. Ours is that any sail may be used as long as it is a direct replacement of the original and offers no performance advantage. The Sailing Comittee deals with any 'issues' that may arise from this.

So far we have had none. Most people use Rooster, Intensity or InSails replicas for club racing and wheel out their 'proper' sails for open events. It bring the cost of having a boat with a good sail down. A replica can be picked up for around £150 which, despite the recent deals being offered by Laser Performance, is still quite a bit cheaper.

As for the guy in the RS I would have just protested him and let the protest committee upset him by throwing him out.

Just my 2p as always....
Paul
----------------------
D-Zero GBR 74
Back to Top
JimC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6661
Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 09 at 8:29am
Originally posted by Late starter

What on earth possessed ISAF to do something so utterly stupid?  

If you read back threads there are a lot of arguments made against permitting replica sails in racing posted by people who haven't been bunged anything. We may be all utterly stupid, but I wouldn't bet on it if I were you.
Back to Top
alstorer View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 02 Aug 07
Location: Cambridge
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2899
Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Mar 09 at 7:18am
Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by Jamesd


does "class rules" cover the specific sailing instructions for a class?


i.e. could an RS class hit marks in club racing?



I once had someone who was sailing an RS in a handicap event tell me he didn't need to do a turn for hitting a mark as he was sailing an RS


Well, it would appear from my reading that next time someone tries to pull this one, you can tell them where exactly to shove it. Standard SIs are NOT part of class rules.

In fact, I don't think class rules CAN change RRS (but may change the ERS?).
-_
Al
Back to Top
Late starter View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 24 Feb 07
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 481
Post Options Post Options   Quote Late starter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 10:09pm
A conspiracy theorist could have a field day with this one!   What on earth possessed ISAF to do something so utterly stupid?   Who bunged who!
Back to Top
Guest View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 0
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Jamesd

does "class rules" cover the specific sailing instructions for a class?

i.e. could an RS class hit marks in club racing?

I once had someone who was sailing an RS in a handicap event tell me he didn't need to do a turn for hitting a mark as he was sailing an RS

Back to Top
Andymac View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Apr 07
Location: Derbyshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 852
Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:33pm

In that case, I think I did get it right (in the end).

Back to Top
alstorer View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 02 Aug 07
Location: Cambridge
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2899
Post Options Post Options   Quote alstorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:24pm
Jamesd: is that actually in the class rules, or is it in the standard SIs that the RS classes request of event organisers?
edit: just looked it up myself. The stuff about touching marks is NOT a class rule as covered by rule 87. It's an SI.

Edited by alstorer
-_
Al
Back to Top
Andymac View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Apr 07
Location: Derbyshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 852
Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:24pm

Ah... the penny just dropped.

I think Jamesd was trying to establish whether a class 'sailing instruction' is transferrable to club racing as a 'class rule'?

Well then maybe not; Just as same as you can't transfer the S.I.'s from the last unrelated event to the next!...????

Have I got that right?

 

 

Back to Top
Andymac View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Apr 07
Location: Derbyshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 852
Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 9:12pm

That is a very valid question, since there are some classes I believe that allow touching a mark without incurring a penalty. Don't know if the relevant class rules specify this rule for class fleet racing only, otherwise there should be a club S.I. written in for handicap racing to switch this class rule off.

Would be an interesting one if that ever went to protest....

Where's Gordon?

Back to Top
Jamesd View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 01 Feb 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 377
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jamesd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Mar 09 at 8:50pm

does "class rules" cover the specific sailing instructions for a class?

i.e. could an RS class hit marks in club racing?

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy