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    Posted: 08 Jan 07 at 4:07am
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... ah I see. That may well be the case but I don't know on ANY all women teams sailing twin trap boats with any success ... anyone know of any?

Rick

I think the number of existing all female twin trap teams today is beside the point. The class will be defined in 2007 for the 2012 Olympics. This means there will be 4 years to cultivate the teams around the world.

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If you consider classes already like the Cherub and the current RS800, are there many successful all female teams within these classes? The proposed class for the double-handed skiff is going to be very similar in design by my guesses and by viewing like classes, is there a big increase in females sailing within these designs? The double handed female skiff will be successful in some respects as it gives female youth sailors something to aim for which is specifically designed for them, however, given the right prompting and the right coaching, there's nothing to say that they couldn't compete within the 49er class. Two enthusiatic male youth sailors will be given encourangement and support to cross over from 29ers, I'd be keen to find out if the case would be the same if it was two female sailors. And reckon it will only be a matter of time before sailing goes through an equal oppurtunities faze where classes will have to be open, due to the fact that discriminating against sex will be viewed as discrimination. Sport will most likely follow industry where you can't discriminate against the sex of a person for the suitability of a job.
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Do you think that might be because they are below the minimum sensible weight?

Kita might manage and enjoy crewing a 49er, but she is sailing with a bigish bloke. Imagine if it were two of her, they might not be so happy in any wind at all.

Other twin wire boats out there (I14, 5000, Boss, RS800) are equally unsuited to two women in terms of weight and height.

I'll be interested to see how many all girl crews sail in the 29XX if they sell enough to get a circuit and don't get selected for the olympics. I imagine it will be more than in the other twin wire classes.



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Originally posted by Steve Clark

Rick,

My point was that there are very few all female teams in the sport, and as such to suggest that number of all female double trap teams might be in a similar proportion.

I guess I am reflecting the concerns of the women sailors I know who are concerned that the sports bureaucrats might not set the bar high enough because of some 19th century vision of what is lady-like.

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... ah I see. That may well be the case but I don't know on ANY all women teams sailing twin trap boats with any success ... anyone know of any?

Rick

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Rick,

My point was that there are very few all female teams in the sport, and as such to suggest that number of all female double trap teams might be in a similar proportion.

I guess I am reflecting the concerns of the women sailors I know who are concerned that the sports bureaucrats might not set the bar high enough because of some 19th century vision of what is lady-like.

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Plenty of female crews in the B14 fleet, dealing with 29 sq/m of kite with no problems.  
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Jim, we're talking about Olympic athletes here, so I think it's fair to assume they're going to be at least as fit as Kita.

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Ah well Kasey, you're young and fit... I was having a discussion with a lady who'd dropped out of 14 crewing at around the same time that I stopped crewing Cherubs, and in both cases it was the hoists and drops that were the major problem for more mature sailors like us...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kasey3000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 11:56pm

Originally posted by Iain C

Kita that is a fair point as you sail one (and I think it was my Cherub that you refer to!)

However you are probably the excpetion to the rule, most women at my club have no desire to sail a 49er as just by looking at it they think it's too big.  Fair play, just keep sailing and persuade them otherwise!

I have only sailed a 49er once myself in fairly light winds, and I did think there was quite a lot of kite to deal with, although I'm not the fittest and I had also not sailed a 12 at that time with a much bigger kite and no downhaul!

I'll still stand by my comment about 21sqm being as big as MOST girls want to handle, that's based on what female Cherub sailors have said (and was very much taken into account when the Cherubs went to the 2005 rules rigs) and also girls who I have taken out on my Cherub (although in fairness it's a lot easier dropping a kite in a boat that's actually long enough to stow it in!!!)

Thanks Iain, yes it was Suicide Blonde that I was referring to

I think the problem with a lot of female crews...and I used to be like this myself.... is that they'll sail something like a 4000 and think "I wouldn't want to handle a kite any bigger than that!".....and they will keep thinking that until they sail something faster with bigger sails! I was terrified of the 49er before I actually saild one....but I now find the kite one of the easiest I have ever used....and this is on both the 49ers I have raced and sailed for almost a year and a half!

I personally don't think 21sqm is too big a kite for a female sailor....I know plently of females who sail Laser 5000's (and isnt the kite on that boat about 30sqm?).

Also, what is the issue with these female crews who have sailed fast skiffs with big sails.....why is so important if they were crews or helms? I used to helm and I really only started crewing properly after I broke my finger and had a 5 month session with no sailing....when I came back to sailing I just started crewing due to the person I sailed with. If I hadn't broke my finger I would probably not have stopped helming and could possibly be helming high performance skiffs myself now as I was beginning to helm Laser 4000's in 2004.....so in 2-3 years I would have advanced to something faster prob!

All I hope is that the 49er doesn't become isolated as a male only class.....cos that would be utterly pathetic

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by Steve Clark

"My point is there are VERY few all female crews sailing twin trap boats."

I think that can be said of sailing in general

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So what is your point?

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