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    Posted: 05 Jan 07 at 9:10am
Originally posted by English Dave

If the 49er had a weight equalisation thing a la RS800 then it would be possible to have a mixed high performance dinghy class at the Olympics. This would also allow the IOC to reduce the number of sailing medals,as per their intentions. At club level we all compete in mixed fleets. I know the 49er is seen as a bit of a macho beast but there should be no reason why an all female team could not compete in one.

By mixed I'm not sure if you mean girls/guys running separate races, same sex boats on the course at the same time, or girl driving/guy crewing or whatever.

However, if it's same sex boats on the course at the same time, true, upwind and down very wide 49er that has been weight equalised would be on an equal footing with the men of sorts.  But the girls would be at a disadvantage with the size of the kite...the girls who I know who sail skiffs such as 800s and Cherubs say that those kites (21sqm) are about as big as they would like to go when it comes to hoists and drops.  It's a biological fact that a gorilla in the front will get a 49er kite up and down faster than your average girlie just down to physical strength and stamina.

 

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Interesting thread. Few comments.

While the official announcement came out few days ago the trial was widely known about and discussed in the industry since Q4 2006. I don't think this week's announcement came as a suprise to any manufacturer.

LDC's posting is very nice. I like their proactive communication style. I am sure they will have a great boat going into the trials.

29er footprint is getting hold with it being the 2007 & 2008 ISAF Youth's boat. This will push the 29er into markets where they were not sailed at the national level before.

Let me give you an example. Singapore Sailing does not seem to have Olympic level ambitions for 49er. They don't have any 49ers sailing in the national squads and hence did not have any 29er training for the young sailors. I recently heard that they ordered some 29ers to start preparing their youth sailors for the 2007 & 2008 youths.

What is the relevance of the example? Well, it is true that there are not that many all female twin trap teams around these days but as high performance boats such as 29er are sailed at ISAF Youths level going forward the foundation of sailors ready to go to the next step will grow. I am confident that by 2012 we will have many all female twin trap teams around to make this new Olympic class a success.

Personally, having a 29erXX myself, I am more than a little biased in this discussion but I'd like to end up by saying, whichever boat gets selected at the end of the day, it will be a great outcome for our sport as it will certainly increase interest at the national sailing level in many countries around the world and naturally increase the number of crews sailing and competing at the international level.

More people on the water = more boats to go around & more fun. Best of luck to all participating designers / builders.

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The better people get in classes, usually the optimum weight comes down as kit develops and techniques are honed...

I don't know if that helps at all...

All that has been said throughout this thread is fairly useless (ducks and waits for punches) What needs to be done is some viable testing. Get girls out there in these boats and see what happens!!! Talking on a forum, no matter how interesting, is not accountable for anything...

Like I said, TESTING!!! Perhaps Y+Y should do a comparitive review (using female testers) using the RS800, 49er and 29er XX ?(and any other boat that may be up for selection that fits the criteria)


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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

The reason the weight equalisation came off is...

Well really the reason it came off was that given Olympic level pressure it was believed by the sailors not to work. I think that would always be the case, so its not worth pursuing.

All else being equal I think a smaller boat with a full size rig is usually more fun than a larger boat with a cut down rig. On the other hand a larger boat with a cut down rig is usually easier to sail.
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I think we need some female input on this thread ...
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I agree, classes for club sailors should be designed for the average weight of the particpants. However the average Olympic sailor is considerably stronger and fitter (and so in real terms heavier) than Joe (or Jane) Bloggs, so perhaps the Olympic classes should reflect this ?
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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

You are quite correct, however as the sport stands would you not agree which most sailing girls are above average (how much trouble am I going to get into for this comment! )

I think the sport should appeal to average women ... the reason sailing perhaps has heavier than average women is because of the classes available to them ...

Perhaps many of the 55kg women go off to play beach volley ball instead of trying to lug a Radial upwind in a chop ... (ducks for cover ...)

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You are quite correct, however as the sport stands would you not agree which most sailing girls are above average (how much trouble am I going to get into for this comment! )
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Originally posted by Jon Emmett

The average crew weight would be 65Kgs (130/2) which is below the average weight of the top Radial girls....

But they are not average girls - the average 25 female on a global scale must be around the 55kg mark ...

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The reason the weight equalisation came off is everyone is on the minimum weight anyway. With alot of crews sailing around 144KGs (Radial sized person at the back, Laser sized person at the front). 
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