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    Posted: 15 Dec 06 at 1:12pm

There seems to be a lot of speculation about the RS500, so as an owner I thought I would speak the truth!

 

Essentially the boat has been kept simple, which I understand is how LDC have managed to keep it at a good price.  And overall I have found this simplicity works.  There are a few minor things, such as the cunningham being difficult to reach for the helm, but then all RS500 sailors will have the same issue so nobody is disadvantaged.  What I was most impressed by was the ingenuity that had gone into the boat, for example, the trapeze bungee that doubles-up as the toe strap bungee to name a few.

 

The class is still very young and is likely to change slightly as people tune the boats up and find alternative ways to do things.  This is already forming part of the healthy discussions on the class email group.  The full potential of the boat is still in its infancy, but the result I am sure will be exciting.

 

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Originally posted by Xpletive

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sounds similar to the Scottish Skiff Racing idea, would indeed be interesting to see how it worked.
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Originally posted by yellowhammer

Anyone know what class Alex Ford and Emma Liddell are from?

Alex helms an RS800 and I think Emma crews a Penny 14
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Originally posted by Xpletive

Your wishes may be granted. Check out http://www.tasa.org.uk/

Good initiative, depending what basis it's run on. Could result in some excellent one-off events that the asymmetric trapeze CAs could include on their calendar. Maybe racing could be subdivided into fleets based on PY ranges.

If there's to be a membership fee, I'd like to see a draft constitution explaining how it plans to operate, and it's relationship with the individual CAs. Is it an asymmetric version of Fast Sail?

The committee looks a bit light, a Commodore and a Webmaster ... is the "Commodore" self elected? Anyone know what class Alex Ford and Emma Liddell are from?
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Thats right.. on the original recommended handicap (972) rather than on the water.. but its not that far off on the water either



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Actually you're both right on the pricing. The launch offer for the openning season is £4995 to include the trolley and cover, so the road base is your only addition.

Next year as the class is more established (there'll be 75 sailing by the time the season starts) we'll revert to the standard retail price of £4995 plus the extras, making an XL spec (the bigger mylar sails) boat with a Combi and Top cover cost £5818.

Delighted to arrange a test sail for anyone interested, the boat is all finished and ready for evaluation.

This message just for information, of course, not commercial

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Originally posted by Iain C

Originally posted by NickA

Well yes it IS £4995 but once you add the trailer / trolley / covers it's really £5950 and they've still not revealed the price of spares; but that's still pretty good.  

Did LDC ever make a BAD boat? .. out of GRP anyway.

Can't wait to race one in me V3000!   We've smaller sails but much less weight, so I'm determined to put up a fight.

PS: Graemef:  hear you sold your last boat "just in time"!!  Hope the 500 is nice and strong (should be at the weight ).

Ah, I was told it was £4995 for everything apart from the road base, I stand corrected.



That's still a good deal cheaper than any laser and maybe ovi equivalent!
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Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC

Originally posted by yellowhammer

Originally posted by Xpletive

Originally posted by NickA

Can't wait to race one in me V3000!   We've smaller sails but much less weight, so I'm determined to put up a fight.

I can't imagine why anyone in the market for a new boat would chose a V3000 in preference to an RS500.

Remember the MPS / RS700 showdown a year or so back

Maybe we could have a RS500 / Vago / 3000 event once there are a few more 500s and V3000s on the scene, even handicap?

Results could be a bit weather dependent, I guess, but it might spring a few surprises!

Anyone want to put their money where their mouth is?

That sounds like a brilliant idea, why don't the class associations group together and run a few events like a mini circuit mixing the classes? Remember something like that was mentioned with the V3000 and Vago a while back. Still keep the classes individual with their own circuits but have mixed events also. Reckon the only draw back would be influencing the manufacturers to support the idea. Reckon it would work wonders for other classes, as has been previously mentioned, Laser 5k/Boss/Penny 14. Also may sort out a few rivalries such as the 29erXX vs Cherub....

 

Your wishes may be granted. Check out http://www.tasa.org.uk/

 

 



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Originally posted by NickA

Well yes it IS £4995 but once you add the trailer / trolley / covers it's really £5950 and they've still not revealed the price of spares; but that's still pretty good.  

Did LDC ever make a BAD boat? .. out of GRP anyway.

Can't wait to race one in me V3000!   We've smaller sails but much less weight, so I'm determined to put up a fight.

PS: Graemef:  hear you sold your last boat "just in time"!!  Hope the 500 is nice and strong (should be at the weight ).

Ah, I was told it was £4995 for everything apart from the road base, I stand corrected.
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Originally posted by Riki @ RS

With regard to RS500 PY, we originally recommended 972, but as more boats have begun sailing and we have sailed against other classes more, this recommendation has been reduced to 960. The RS500 shakes off an RS400 relatively easily in all but the lightest breeze (when its still a little quicker), so this number is likely closer than the original estimates. I expect the number to settle around 960 - 965 when there is a good number of sailors using the boats and some decent returns, its not unusual for new owners to take a while to tune the boat to full capacity and the effects of different venues/waterstates are considered. Theres a useful mix of combined weight at the moment from 115kg to 155kg so we'll soon have some more feedback regarding any natural favouring of the weight band.


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Do you mean it shakes off a 400 on handicap or on the water because as you probably know a 400 sails off 952 so if its quicker on the water then id expect to see a big cut.
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