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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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OK, this happened on Sunday. I'm coming into a mark, on the layline, on port and tacking round it to port. A boat which has over stood the mark comes down from the windward side on a close reach (also on port) and demands water. Am I right in thinking that I don't have to give him room, as it is a windward mark, even though he would have water at another mark? I forced him to tack off and go round, as I was always taught that at the windward mark you take the mark away, and then you have a windward boat situation. Am I right, or have the rules changed, or was I always wrong?
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les5269 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1530 |
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If I'm reading it right, I would say that as your both on port ,he's windward boat so has to keep clear, but I'm a little confused how he could be coming in from windward and on port
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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I'm fairly sure it has always been the case that boats in that situation would have to give room, as long as you are overlapped at the two boat circle, ovbiously.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Really difficult to describe, easy to draw. He has over stood the mark, and is reaching down to it. Do I have to bear away from the mark, having got the lay line right, or can I carry on and make him go the wrong side. Obviously, I can't on a leeward mark, but on a windward mark it would seem that I was being punished for getting the angles right? |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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As I said, if he doesn't have an overlap at the two boat length circle you can push him up (subject to giving room to keep clear), but if you are overlapped then you have to let him round inside.
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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The rules don't distinguish between windward marks and other marks.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Yes they do, but not in the situation described. Rule 18 does not apply between boats on opposite tacks at a windward mark. Since both boats were on port here, rule 18 does apply and the windward boat was entitled to room. When This Rule Applies Rule 18 applies when boats are about to round or pass a mark they arerequired to leave on the same side, or an obstruction on the same side,until they have passed it. However, it does not apply (a) at a starting mark surrounded by navigable water or at its anchorline from the time the boats are approaching them to start untilthey have passed them, or (b) while the boats are on opposite tacks, either on a beat to windwardor when the proper course for one of them, but not both, toround or pass the mark or obstruction is to tack.
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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No, you are being punished for approaching a port-hand windward mark on port, because it puts a windward boat on the inside. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Fair enough Stefan! Though it would have been difficult on this particular course to do anything else. Luckily, it is a situation that comes up rarely.
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tornado435 ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 196 |
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Happened to me on saturday. Scary when it's tornado's and you've also got a row of Starboard boats coming into the mark. Still it was made a lot better by the fact that the Starboard boats were Leigh Macmillan and Rob Wilson.
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