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    Posted: 19 Sep 06 at 1:54pm

Inter (see Nacra)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marstrom 20 carbon spi

M20

58.0

61.0

59.0

57.5

55.0

Nacra 17 Uni (NI17U) no spi

N17U

73.2

75.7

75.0

73.2

71.0

Nacra 18 Slp spi (Inter 18)

N18

64.0

67.9

65.6

64.0

60.5

Nacra 20 Slp spi

N20

59.3

62.0

60.2

58.5

57.5

Nacra 450 Turbo 1-up

N450T

76.9

80.5

79.6

77.0

74.4

Nacra 5.0 Slp 2-up

N5.0

(76.2)

[80.5]

[78.5]

(76.2)

[73.0]

Nacra 5.2 Slp 2-up

N5.2

72.1

78.0

74.8

71.5

67.4

Nacra 5.5 Slp 8.5'

N5.5

67.0

73.6

69.4

65.6

61.2

Nacra 5.5 Uni 11' beam See:

18SM-2

 

 

 

 

 

Nacra 5.5 Uni 8.5'

N5.5U

69.7

74.5

71.9

69.1

64.5

Nacra 5.7 2-up

N5.7

72.5

75.5

74.8

72.2

68.6

Nacra 5.8 No.Amer. 2-up

N5.8NA

66.4

70.5

68.5

65.4

62.0

Nacra 5.8 Orig. 2-up

N5.8

66.6

72.1

69.2

65.6

62.2

Nacra 500 Slp 2-up

N500

76.2

80.3

78.6

76.1

72.6

Nacra 570 2-up

N570

70.5

75.0

73.7

70.5

66.3

Nacra 6.0 No.Amer. 2-up

N6.0NA

62.6

65.5

64.2

61.8

59.5

Nacra 6.0 Orig. 2-up

N6.0

64.2

68.5

66.0

63.4

60.6

Nacra F17 Uni spi  (NI17R)

NF17U

66.7

69.0

68.1

66.6

65.0

Nacra F18 Slp spi

NF18

62.4

65.9

64.1

61.3

59.5

Nacra Inter (see Nacra)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tornado (Int.) 2-trap spi

TORN

59.0

62.4

60.5

57.8

55.5

Tornado 1-trap no spi

TORN2

63.8

67.0

65.6

63.1

60.6

Unicorn (A Class)

UC-A

75.2

81.3

76.5

73.6

69.0
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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Interesting that the Hawk is much faster than a Hurricane over the pond!

And an A is slower than a F18...

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I think the hurricane will be a 2 sail one. Pretty hard to keep up withthe kite  boats downwind. Also the courses raced would be an interesting variable. Nothing 2 sail reaches better than a standard hurricane.
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Far as I can see all different F18’s are exactly the same!

Coincidence? Or just all entered under the banner F18 and pasted out to the different makes?
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Originally posted by sailwave

Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Interesting that the Hawk is much faster than a Hurricane over the pond!

And an A is slower than a F18...

 

This identifies the problem with returns based systems, only as good as the data they get back.

Same can be said for measurement based systems if they don't evolve to keep pace with the developments, but we are working on that.

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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Far as I can see all different F18’s are exactly the same!

Coincidence? Or just all entered under the banner F18 and pasted out to the different makes?


It won't be coincidence.  They will all be the same otherwise it will undermine the F18 fleet racing.

eg do International 14s have different handicaps for different designs? (I think the answer is no and for the same reason as the F18)
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Originally posted by Worthy

Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Far as I can see all different F18’s are exactly the same!

Coincidence? Or just all entered under the banner F18 and pasted out to the different makes?



It won't be coincidence.  They will all be the same otherwise it will undermine the F18 fleet racing.

My point entirely! All the f18’s get tarred with the same brush – as they develop and get faster so their handicap goes down! Bit like golf! But over here the F18’s want to develop and still keep the nice safe 691 they had as a Hawk, can’t be right can it?  I can see the logic (just about) when using SCHRS because they are still within the 1.01 roundings that ScoobySi was on about, but what a difference between a Hawk and a Capricorn!

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Originally posted by tornado435

I think the hurricane will be a 2 sail one. Pretty hard to keep up withthe kite  boats downwind. Also the courses raced would be an interesting variable. Nothing 2 sail reaches better than a standard hurricane.

Anybody from the Hurricane world know how many boats are in the USA?

These results may not mean much if only going on a couple of older boats with worn out sails etc
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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Originally posted by Worthy

Originally posted by Port End Flyer

Far as I can see all different F18’s are exactly the same!

Coincidence? Or just all entered under the banner F18 and pasted out to the different makes?



It won't be coincidence.  They will all be the same otherwise it will undermine the F18 fleet racing.

My point entirely! All the f18’s get tarred with the same brush – as they develop and get faster so their handicap goes down! Bit like golf! But over here the F18’s want to develop and still keep the nice safe 691 they had as a Hawk, can’t be right can it?  I can see the logic (just about) when using SCHRS because they are still within the 1.01 roundings that ScoobySi was on about, but what a difference between a Hawk and a Capricorn!



So get yourself on the handicap committee and do something about it.

Remember it is the same situation for all development classes eg International 14, International Moth etc
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Originally posted by Port End Flyer

But over here the F18’s want to develop and still keep the nice safe 691 they had as a Hawk, can’t be right can it?



Please bear in mind that F18s in the UK do not generally use any handicap system at all.  When racing against other cats the SCHRS system is used.

No one really races against mono's which is the only time you have to use PY so I am really stuggling to see why you are getting so wound up. (I only know of one club in the UK that regularly races cats vs monos and it is quite small - there may be a few others though)
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