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Soggy Doggie 
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Joined: 06 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
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 Topic: Driving Cats hard downwindPosted: 09 Sep 06 at 8:44pm |
Wow Seb, that's impressive. Are you an olympic hopeful? |
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A Cat is for life, not just for christmas.
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Worthy
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Posted: 06 Sep 06 at 8:50pm |
Good diagram. I can see the logic for them, don't get me wrong, I have just never had the need so never put one on. |
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Seb_Greber
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Posted: 02 Sep 06 at 10:33pm |
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hi i sail a Hobie Dragoon but movin onto a Hobie 16 after getting 4th in the worlds and winning the Nationals, and also because im too big now!. Dragoons are too short to get your weight back when it really windy! so u cant really trapeze downwind because the nose goes in before the hull comes up! thats normally if it wavey but evem when its flat sometimes! i was wondering does a chickin line not leve u hanging in mid air if the boat does go over and i would not like the thought of that! Me singlehanding (do have a crew lol)
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Tornado_ALIVE
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Posted: 02 Sep 06 at 11:48am |
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I am quiet supprised that few people in the F18 class use chicken lines. They are quiet popular in the Tornado Class. On big nose dives we have come out of foot straps. Also in the real fresh stuff, we get our back foot on the transom getting weight futher back. This is a technique we picked up from John Forbes several years ago after he saw a Euro team use it to great effect in a fresh series.
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Worthy
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Posted: 02 Sep 06 at 11:10am |
Chicken lines are for chickens  On a more serious note we find that the foot loop on the back corner is enough to keep the crew on the back in a nose dive. |
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Scooby_simon
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Posted: 01 Sep 06 at 3:58pm |
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You most certainly can. Until I sailed a Stealth I did not totally believe it. BUT; Gust arrives, boat dips the nose 1/2 an inch and then just accelerates Found it quite odd not haveing to react the the bows digging down and just steer the windward hull. I like it a lot.... Edited by Scooby_simon |
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Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
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catmandoo
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Posted: 01 Sep 06 at 2:42pm |
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Get one with wings on its rudders like John Pierces Stealths , shouldn't really say this with this weekends forecast , but as J P's advert says you can drive them harder than other cats offwind .
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far canal
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Posted: 01 Sep 06 at 2:31pm |
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oho here we go again .
why don't the missinformed just listen to folk like Tor alive and even mono man Jim c,scooby too , as far as i can see only ones here knowing what they are talking about . It was a good question (i suppose) from someone wanting to know the answers .
Whits the guff all about cats being displacement boats with a max speed defined as a function of w line length ?????, that goes oot the window when beam to ratio significantly drops ( or goes up whatever way its defined - long and skinny aint bound by rules is the point ) I saw more monohulls going down the mine last weekend than cats in a decade of sailing , and as someone said above ---- so what ?
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Tornado_ALIVE
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Posted: 01 Sep 06 at 2:04pm |
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Driving a cat hard downwind is all about technique and knowing when to throttle back, just like a mono. Warning signs are also just as easy to see. Even Skiffs will throttle back in breeze sometimes bringing the skipper in and running a bit deeper. With a cat though, if you use a chicken line, when you stick a bow in, you will rearly swim if at all. Monos don't have this luxury. This is us sending it in perhaps the ride of our life in 30 knots and BIG waves. Crew got right down the back of the boat and we did not look like we were going to cartwheel.
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Tornado_ALIVE
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Posted: 01 Sep 06 at 1:47pm |
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Check out my video for some downwind footage in fresh breeze and check out the trim of the boat. It is 19mb so you may want to download first...... http://www.formula18alive.com/f18alive.wmv
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