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m_liddell
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Topic: Sailing without safety coverPosted: 06 Sep 06 at 5:19pm |
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Very true. Dev classes are especially prone to this, especially a boat as complex as a 14 |
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charlie w
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Posted: 06 Sep 06 at 5:31pm |
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During Feb 05, we were 2-boat tuning 505's off Hayling Island with Norman Byrd and Andy Davies. The wind was Northerly and up around 25 knots as we launched. A few hours into the session, we decided to turn for home, and being about half way between Bembridge and the lifeboat station, we faced about 25-30 minutes of fast upwind sailing to get to the boat park. Suddenly we became aware that Hayling Island was vanishing under .....snow. Yup, we were going to have to sail through it to get home. The wind increased above 30knots as we tracked upwind. At no time were we concerned, and neither crew backed off as that would have made us really cold...Dougal commented to me that he really wouldn't have wanted to be out there without another boat. This set me to thinking about the comment regards rescue cover. Who actually knows what their kit's limit is - especially in a "home build style of class". I'll bet that we all fail to genuinely take account of lack of safety cover as an additional risk - because we mostly race with the kit, and view our equipment accordingly. Is it appropriate that we all risk assess on "best case" basis? |
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MikeBz
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Posted: 06 Sep 06 at 5:42pm |
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Whilst on this theme I wonder if people's jury rigging and general resourcefulness have been eroded by constant presence of rescue boat cover? I remember sailing a Cherub a mile or two home with no rudder, upwind in a reasonable breeze one afternoon after school - it took a while, but we got there. And jury rigging a I14 on 2 occasions after the mast came down, once to get back to Itchenor and once for a long sail back to Riva on Lake Garda (very hairy bobbing at low speed through windsurfer alley with the jib rigged sideways from the boom which was handily erected in the spaceframe where the mast should have been). All good fun. Obviously jury-rigging isn't going to work too well if the wind is forward of the beam. I saw the antithesis of all this at a Cadet world qualifier a couple of years ago - something broke/malfunctioned in the rudder department on one of the boats, so the complete spare boat was brought out to the race course at high speed sitting across a support rib! I'm not sure what that teaches you - to go and get a well-paid job I suppose, so probably quite an important lesson in fact... Mike |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 06 Sep 06 at 6:22pm |
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i think that most people who sail the higher performance "home built" classes such as the 14 or cherub tend to be more experienced, better sailors, so the boats that are more likely to break tend to have a better prepared crew who will be able to deal with the problem better than some people in other classes (eg cadet). so realy sailing a "home built" boat without safety cover probably wont cause too many problems because these people know what they are doing. perhaps people should be encouraged to try to sail their boats as if the top half of the mast has gone missing more often. maybe clubs/RYA could organise jury rigging classes or races perhaps. this would certainly be more entertaining than your normal weekend club race, but only in the correct conditions.
PS: ahhh what is happening to me?? im sticking up for cherub sailors Edited by mike ellis |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Phat Bouy
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 12:41am |
There's a very good reason for this, especially if the pond in question is a reservoir. If a person is overboard and does not come back up to the surface then the body will invariably ended up in amongst the water pumping gear. The logistics and disruption to water supplies as the pond is drained to find missing person would be horrendous. So the water companies will make sure that it just can't happen. Even in a pond, you can get quite bad hypothermia a long time before you hit the shore. |
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Phat Bouy
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 12:45am |
Yeh, just don't get caught up with any stingrays!! The more you live on the edge, the more likely you are to fall off. Good luck. |
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MikeBz
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 9:30am |
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Good point, although I believe it's more to do with the fear of being found liable in our increasingly-litigious blame-cultured nanny state... Mike |
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ssailor
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 9:44am |
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Being able to get yourself home is an improtant aspect to all development class sailors!
In strong force 7 one day we two sail gybed and when I failed to catch the boom just right mid gybe the force snapped the kicker fixings and the mainsheet fixings - one minute we were happy next we were facing a mile or so of upwind sailing with no main or control! Spending a measly ten mins in the water with a bit of rope sorted us with a very basic kicker and the sail back to the club was completed with me sailing it like a windsurfer by hanging off the boom!! ![]() (btw this was at a regatta and thus getting back to ix it on dry land and gettin back out to the next race were deemed most important! rather than sailing in under jib alone!) |
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 9:52am |
I think there is a world of difference between I14's & Cherubs. They both may be dev classes but the build quality of I14's is typically far superior as the majority if not all are professionally built by the likes of Ovington Boats. When was the last I14 home built? Rick
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timnoyce
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Posted: 07 Sep 06 at 10:52am |
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They do happen but they are rare. I recall seeing a French wooden one a little while ago that kinda looked like the swift solo. I'll try and find a picture somewhere.
There is debate that quality of the boats COULD be better if they are home built. Someone with the knowledge to build a boat for themselves, but not constrained by profit margains, compared to someone plugging out a boat to make the most money. I admit that some peoples efforts aren't as good as others but there are some very nice home builds out there. Gavs Simms for example, owner and builder of mango jam, has built his hull, spars, had huge influence on the sail design, foils, adjustable t-foil etc and I can't remember the last time he had a gear failure. Very true though... as far as development classes go the 14 and the cherub are about as different as you could get ![]() |
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