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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Lots of good points as ever TT and let's face it any boat offered as an alternative to the Oppie (or any other established kids starter boat) in an awful lot of countries is going to be a tough sell. However, there are, for example, a lot of Aussies and Kiwis who have become quite good sailors inspite of the lack of the Optimist in their waters so it is by no means the only boat you can learn to sail in...
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One step forwards, 2 steps back...
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True - but the same also applies to adult sailing and we have seen many new classes. It's a free market and new products will always appear - some will stand the test of time others won't. Rick |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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As most club sailors will testify, you don't HAVE to only race other identical boats. Sure it's more fun in one way, but having a personal choice of boat you like and fit is also good. Having learnt double handed in picos, my kids refused point blank to get in anything as nasty as an Oppy - and dropped out of racing as a result. Terras, opens and optis could easily sail together if only the RYA weren't so blinkered. Likewise toppers & picos, and lasers & splash/flashes. If the "don't split the fleets" fans got their way, we'd all be sailing espensive clinker built tubs (competitively of course!) |
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tack'ho ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1100 |
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Its a good point, If you allow for Jim Cs favourite statistic about the time spread in a nationals fleet you could actually sail quite a few boats off one start, I always start with the lasers/radials when I can, they may be rated quicker on handicap but its all even on the start and is good practice for opens and nationals. Sometimes I even beat some of them, whcih is nice.
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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The Merlins had quite a good turn out at their nationals this year ... |
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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Some interesting points.
I've nothing against Oppies (my daughter has one and has learnt a lot with it) but things do move on. We don't learn to drive in 40 year old designs of cars, so is it right for our kids to sail old-fashioned boats? (that's a question, by the way, not a statement). I like the Oppy as much as the next parent but I do think that some image- conscious kids (of which there are plenty) would be put off by the look of the thing. Phil |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Kids love Oppy sailing, and why not? It's simple, forgiving and 'easy'
to sail but provides miles of scope for the kids who really want to go
racing - you'd be hard pushed to find a class anywhere which offers
bigger fleet experience at such a young age.
As for learning to sail and race in old classes being a questionable decision, I think it's good that new classes are being introduced but we shouldn't overlook the great benefits offered by the Oppy, Mirror, Topper and Cadet, namely:
There's a good side to all the tweaky kit as well - check out the keen racers at your club, they love the carbon tiller extensions and custom mast fittings - we love 'em on our boats because you can't be a racer if you don't love the tinkering that goes with - it's a stepping stone to the physce that you develop to be successful - if you think you're going to do well because you're confident in your boat, you most probably will beat the team with their heads in the boat wandering about the water coming in round the leaky bailer! The Open Bic is the latest in a long line of boats to come and challenge these established favorites - most have failed to establish themselves this side of the channel because clubs have organically developed a 'nursery' system based around the established boats - the message should be, join a good club and enjoy yourself. The Oz and NZ boys and girls who grow up on the old classes there seem to do just fine once the few who continue to international level start competing against our young sailors. The new technology boats make a real difference when you hit the teens - I was bored silly by the idea of 420 sailing but if someone had showed me and my mates the 29er we'd have bitten your arm off - instead we got into second hand Nat 12's, Fireballs, Cherubs, IC's and Moths because you could pick them up for around £500 and blat off across the lake in a cloud of spray without needing a small gale to get going! |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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So were the Oppy, Topper, Cadet and Mirror designed at the same time? No. I bet when the Topper came out there was people just as aginst it because it split fleets. And you forgot the Pico, which is as ubiquitous as the Topper in some clubs. New designs aren't bad as long as they bring something new to the table and that new thing could be (to us) very superficial. I, for one, think the Tera looks the business and the O'pen Bic looks pretty exciting too, but it is different. It's a big market and kids are more market aware than I ever was, even though I could tell you all the PYs of all the boats at my club (and probably sail areas and hull weights too) when I was 12. The bigger the choice the bigger range of people you can suit. |
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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Just been doing some Oppy training today and I realised one of its
shortcomings - the lack of a self-draining cockpit. Capsize one and you're buggered until you've bailed all the water out. Phil |
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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That's 'cause its a crappy old badly designed boat - that's only sailed at all 'cause the RYA keep supporting it, so lots of kids keep sailing it so the RYA keep supporting it so lots of kids keep sailing it ............... 2nd hand oppy £2000 at our club. More carbon than a cherub! Still rubbish. Probably delete this when I sober up Nope, stone cold sober and they're still rubbish. Edited by NickA |
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