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    Posted: 18 Nov 08 at 12:32pm
its a good idea i think to have a multi design class, each boat could have a handicap within the class depending on its design era and then as the new boats get faster you could change the handicap so they are on par witht the older designs? then each boat could have a seperate handiap for handicap racing and the older designs would be as competitive in the racing as new ones?

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Originally posted by Nick Peters

Always been interested personally - for years while
tolley-dollying for the kids I'd jump in the 700 - make a muppet of myself
and think I need toestraps and to stay on the side! But the downsides to
most hiking singlehanders is pace upwind.


Sorry, not meaning to slyly give a "scoop" from RS. We have several times
looked at a boat like this - but its a very big step do a new boat these days.
Always interested in opinion from this forum - and all keen sailors - it all
helps to mould future plans.


 



How would such a boat be different to your Vareo?
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Sounds liek a bit of an arms race to me Chew?  I like the idea of buying a new boat and it not been out classed for its life in my ownership.  Been there done that with the 14.
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Originally posted by dics

Have I missed something? (most probably). Why is Blaze 720 developing a fat mans boat when we already have the Phantom and now the Rooster"extra big" Laser? Surely this is the ideal oppertunity to put a kite on the Blaze as well as a bigger main and rename it as a new class. Otherwise what would difference be? Now a Blaze with a kite going faster than a 300 I would certain be most interested provided it was as elegant to handle.



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You are missing the point here. Whilst YOU (and a limited number of others) might want a Blaze with a kite (and there is nothing stopping you buying one and putting a kite on it) the majority (almost unanimously at the AGM where it was last discussed) voted no. Try sailing one in a good breeze you do not want or need a kite, the boat flies without it!

As for the 'Fat boy Blaze' there is a gap. Phantoms are like hens teeth and to get a good one you are looking at spending upwards of £4.5k for a competitive boat plus they are still a huge handful when it gets breezy (needing stupid amounts of vang and rake upwind and needing to let the vang off each time you tack). You can pick up a good Mk 1 Blaze for around £1,500 then just buy the bigger rig (probably around £1k). Having sailed a Blaze for 2 years I loved the boat but had to give it up for personal reasons. At some point in the future I will step back in to one. Were the class to adopt an assymetric I probably would not.
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That sounds a great idea, the Y&Y forum singlehander. 

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This talk of a single handed hiking boat with kite has got me thinking again.

There appears to be quite a few manufacturers who seem interested, or have at least identified a potential gap in the market. Rather than making rival products, which reduce potential fleet numbers (e.g. ISO v L4000, MPS v 700), wouldn't it be great if they got together and agreed a general set of parameters for a new class? Lets say 4m long, 1m waterline beam, 1.8m max beam, hull weight 60kg, sail area 8sqm (and 8sqm kite), no carbon in the hull or foils, RRP £7k, built from female moulds. The numbers are made up of the top of my head, but you get the gist.

That way, each manufacturer could develop a boat, but it would race within a class, rather than just be a seperate SMOD. I suppose the nearest model to what I'm imagining is the Formula 18 cats. In my opinion the biggest advantages SMODs have is not the (fallacy of a) level playing field, but the ease of purchase and ownership they offer and the fact that they can sacrifice some performance for ease of use. The downsides of a SMOD include the fact that they outdate and can be lacking in refinement. Making updates to a SMOD is a difficult and sometimes unpopular process.

So, my thinking is that each manufacturer could launch a SMOD that fits within the basic rules. The sailor would buy their preferred boat and could not then alter it - much like a SMOD. Person A might buy the Cirrus design, person B the RS one and person C the Devoti design. Every two years, on the 1st March (just in time for the Dinghy Show) the manufacturers could release new designs, in the hope of geetting back to the front of the fleet.

This would allow the sailors to keep sailing a class that evolves with technology and would allow the manufacturers to keep refreshing their product range - a win/win situation. It would encourage class stalwarts to buy new boats regularly and provide a good source of second hand boats.

Could such an idea be workable?



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Come on Nick, get to that drawing board and sort us all out, i would love to sail something that ticked all those boxes!! 
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

...unless you've sailed off our beach, it's pointless talking about it...

I have sailed off your beach and a number of other steep nasty beaches, there is not doubt it's not a very user friendly place to launch and I admit I'd think twice about launching my MPS off that beach in some of the more unpleasant weather ... I'd get my Laser out on such days; probably with the Radial rig is it was very windy.

Just because some craft are not as suitable for you beach dosn't make them design flawed; it just means they are less suitable for your launching area than perhaps other designs.
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Posts: 192 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Nick Peters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 08 at 11:02am

Always been interested personally - for years while tolley-dollying for the kids I'd jump in the 700 - make a muppet of myself and think I need toestraps and to stay on the side! But the downsides to most hiking singlehanders is pace upwind.

Sorry, not meaning to slyly give a "scoop" from RS. We have several times looked at a boat like this - but its a very big step do a new boat these days. Always interested in opinion from this forum - and all keen sailors - it all helps to mould future plans.

 
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