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    Posted: 16 Nov 08 at 5:26pm
Well what a co-incidence this is, another missed day today crewless and
I'm now looking for a single hander, lots of what's been written above
would suit me.

Cross between an MPS, & Contender.

I like the idea of a self tacking jib, so a solution to Irons those two craft
always seem to find themselves in.

Definitely a retracting centreboard, PY around 950 not worried about
equalisation but would want it to be useable in 25 knots on the sea.

Would want to learn to trapeze and it to have a spinnaker so I wont get
bored offwind.

Perfect boat for me would be a scaled down Alto with all the same gizmos

Oh and find a way to give the rig a sliding track, so it would cook a bit
offwind and keep the nose up in a following sea, not much to ask.
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Something like a centre sheeted N12 with self tacking jib and asym.


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Nick,

I wouldn't pay 10K - I wouldn't pay 2K!  My 300 is the perfect hiking singlehander!

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Originally posted by Nick Peters

This could be an interesting thread....if one was to develop a new hiking singlehander with kite, what should it be like....

Performance upwind (est PY)?. Round the course performance (Est PY)?

Racks / solid wings? Performance equalised? Or just simple like 300?

Centreboard / daggerboard?

"unstayed" (no forestay) for easy hoist / gybe like Vareo, or fully rigged like MPS/700.? Or a combination?

If one went balls out and did the ultimate qualiy boat would you pay £10k for complete package with combi / covers?

 Mainsheet style? What about a little self-tacking jib?

Nick.

£10k for a singlehander is a lot of money - for that I would want top quality international competion, not just UK based.  And it seems that such a high quality boat would be competing against the established trapeze singlehanders 700/MPS/F16/A Class/Canoe (honorary trapeze boat!) etc.

So I would rather see something a bit more moderate and cheaper - the Vareo appears a good concept but doesn't seem to have quite hit the nail on the head - perhaps a little too dumbed down?

I think I would be looking for such a boat to perform similarly to a RS400 upwind and down, so a PY of around 950.  Any slower and the performance advantage over the Phantom, Laser, 300, Blaze etc would be too small to warrant the extra expense and hassle of the kite.  And at 950ish, you can race the 400's, Fireballs, 500's, 29ers etc more closely over the water.  Any faster and you risk raising the required skill/dedication level above the mainstream.

Personally I believe that if the hull is long enough and the rig adjustable enough, performance equalisation is not necessary, but it probably doesn't do any harm to design in such a system.  Again, my personal preference would be for short (approx 40-50cm) trampoline wings - a sort of dumbed sown Moth look.    

Daggerboards v centreboard - I prefer a dagger myself (if only because it means no annual change of the slot gaskets!), but understand that they aren't ideal in some locations.

Shroud v free standing.  The 300 rig is aesthetically beautiful, but I can't imagine something similar with a kite.  So I would go for shrouds and forestay with the forestay on a short base a la 700.

Finally, I have a pet hate of metal on boats.  I would want as little metal on the boat as possible (carbon spars, rope attachements etc).

Of course, rather than a kite you could always go with a swing rigged jib...

Oh, and I reserve the right to change my mind on these answers on a whim.

Toby (formerly Chew my RS, but lost my log in!)



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to be honest, if there was a fast hiking singlehander for £5k ish i would go for it, but there are no fast hiker singlahanded boats (by fast i mean py less than 900 that is not a canoe)

I am lookin at new boats at the moment and the only boats that appeal are the 600, 700 and maybe musto.
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by JimC

Ah well, Nick, the best way of getting a singlehander upwind is of course 2 hulls and a wing mast. .

And then save weight by leaving off the windward hull...

Seriously though you'll never find me criticising the As, which are one of the great boats, but don't fit well under the *Dinghy* topic
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Originally posted by Scooby_simon

Originally posted by JimC

Ah well, Nick, the best way of getting a singlehander upwind is of course 2 hulls and a wing mast. .

 

Nice one simon!!! 

 

If RS built something like the 300 with a kite i would buy one, not for 10k though!

 
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Originally posted by JimC

Ah well, Nick, the best way of getting a singlehander upwind is of course 2 hulls and a wing mast. .
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Originally posted by ifoxwell

Rumor has it that they are working on a hiking single hander with a spinni...

Has any one seen anything of it yet or know any more about it?

Ian



Like we really need another frikking single hander with a spinnaker.

If you want slow buy a vareo if you want fast with a trap buy a 700 or an MPS. If you like to fiddle/experiment then go DC

In this economy trying to establish a new class is a pretty futile exercise unless you've got Nick's marketing clout and even that would be a big ask. I mean with 2m unemployed (nearly) including some sailing friends whose gonna have 6 or so big ones to blow on a new toy apart from grumpf...


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[QUOTE=JimC]
Performance equalisation ....... Also do you think anyone's ever got it to work even partially well in a singlehander?
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Yes

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