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    Posted: 08 Jul 06 at 10:43pm
Originally posted by fizzicist

As for turning everything into a Cherub, well not every water is suitable for a Cherub and frankly, not everyone wants one.


I think thats a little unfair here. The fact is we are talking about building a 12ft dinghy with an asymetric. The cherub hapens to be a 12ft dinghy with an assymetric... comparisons are going to be drawn.
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Originally posted by fizzicist

As for turning everything into a Cherub, well not every water is suitable for a Cherub and frankly, not everyone wants one.

I think A Cherub would be a very sensible starting point for a 12ft long assymetric dinghy. Mainly because they hav 55yrs of development behind them!

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A friend looked at converting a B14 to a single hander by adding a trapeze, a self tacking jib  and rearranging the kite to a chute, one string affair.  It would be an awesome beast in the light stuff  but in a breeze ??  After a capsise, B14s are pretty tough to righten with the kite in the drink with two crew and probably impossible with one but without the tramps maybe its ok.   I think it would be better to use an RS 800  with massive wings.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by aardvark_issues



Cherubs and Scorpions arent really wide enough for my taste to be hiking boats, and although I cant really remember specifics I thought the NS14 hull rule was very restrictive?


Have seen a Blaze with the winds fully extended, they go pretty wide!

The Blaze as I have said before could be very cool with an assy. Bit like a singlehanded B14 (If maybe completely different hull and rig design)

Anyone out there tried this



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The NS rule is quite simple - I could understand it!  Basically it has:

max length, min weight, max overall beam, min waterline beam (at midships) max depth and a max actual sail area (split how you like).  The only restriction is no 'hollows' in the section to cheat the minimum waterline beam measurement.

Any new formula rule would really need the buy-in of the big manufacturers.  I'm not sure exactly how, but I'm sure it can be done (maybe hull has to be rotomoulded, or set a minimum batch production etc??)

 

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Originally posted by aardvark_issues



Cherubs and Scorpions arent really wide enough for my taste to be hiking boats, and although I cant really remember specifics I thought the NS14 hull rule was very restrictive?


Have seen a Blaze with the winds fully extended, they go pretty wide!
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Well, if anyone wants one, the N12 Big Issue  (Loco Perro) shape was spot on for a spinnaker boat... fully battened rig and a 400ish size spinnaker would be awesome as a hiker - can lose all the lead too.

Cherubs and Scorpions arent really wide enough for my taste to be hiking boats, and although I cant really remember specifics I thought the NS14 hull rule was very restrictive?
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I don't think the manufacturers would risk not being the fastest design.

But if it did work, it would be a brilliant platform for amateur builders and designers to get into the industry.

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Originally posted by Rupert

Haven't we been here before?

Yes - and I guess you are right; none of the big boys would want to do it ...

Shame though as I think it would be good to try and get some of the existing classes racing together to create bigger events and fleets ...

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Haven't we been here before?

The rules would have to be pretty tight for a big manufacturer to get involved, otherwise the turnover at the top of the fleet would be too great, so we are talking an old fashioned restricted class like the N12, rather than a development class like the Int Moth, but with modern bits on it. No big(ish) manufacturer ever got involved with the 12, as far as I'm aware, just designed one designs around it (Firefly, Graduate, Lark, RS200) so why would anyone get involved with a new one? I don't see Laser Topper or RS wanting to get into a who's best battle that could see them loosing out to joe bloggs in a home built boat.

Faireys designed and built a series of hot moulded International 14's in the 1950's, but even they put a deck on the MK1 and turned it into a one design called the Gannet, as they realized the expense of keeping up with developments when having to build moulds is prohibitive.

I think Cats are generally a much simpler hull shape, and it is possible to keep competitive for longer by updating the kit, like the Hobie Tiger has.

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