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    Posted: 01 Mar 06 at 12:20pm

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Actually I think kent has far more chavier areas than essex anyway

You must be kidding ...

Essex is the CHAV native region by a mile...

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East Kent is very different from the bit nearest London though. Going west towards London, the Medway and it's delightful hamlets and rolling countyside  is the point at which it becomes uninhabitable ..... In my opinion.
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Essex is "the dark side" of the estuary. Over here on the "light side" we fight the evil forces of the Chav.

Agreed there are some who are tempted by the trinkets of the dark side but they are the minority ...

 

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CHAV stands for Council House And Vulguar. Nothing to do with Chatham or any other location. North Kent does have a very high population of this social underclass simply becuase of the over spill from Essex and they are the babies of Essex girls. However, CHAVs are finding new places on their mini motorbikes such as Royal Tunbridge Wells and have been spotted as far as Bideford in North Devon. There anit no stoopin' them.

Check out http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

 

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Etymology


Sources disagree on the origin of the word. The Collins English Dictionary suggests that it derives from a distortion of the Anglo-Romany word chavi meaning "child". This word could have entered the English language through English dialects which have borrowed Romany words, such as Cockney and Geordie where other Romany loan words are common (e.g. mush for "friend"), or Palare, a coded slang used first by travelling circus communities, and more recently in theatrical societies and among sections of the gay community. However, these origins have been questioned.

In contrast, the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary suggests that the word derives either from a nickname for "Chatham girls" or from the Romany word chavo (boy), which is also the source of the Spanish word chaval. It also reports that the word can be used as an adjective e.g. "The bus was full of chav kids."

There are a large number of synonyms and regional variations of "chav", including "townie", "scally", "ned", and "charver".

Many folk etymologies have sprung up to explain the origins of the word. These include humorous backronyms, such as "Council Housed And Violent". Another commonly cited false etymology derives the word from Cheltenham Ladies' College. Here, it is claimed, the term was coined from the words "Cheltenham Average" (Ch-av), used by the young women of the school to describe less desirable young men of the town.

Usage

Though "chav" has similarities to American terms such as "white trash" and "trailer trash", it does not bear the racial overtones of its American counterparts, and, according to the stereotype, many supposed chavs belong to multi-ethnic inner city communities such as London council estates.

From its origins as a slang term use of the word spread rapidly so that by 2004 it had become a hugely popular word in national newspapers and common parlance in the UK. A survey in 2005 found that in December 2004 alone 114 British newspaper articles used the word. It was also voted "word of the year" in 2004 by GQ magazine. The popularity of the word has led to the creation of sites devoted to cataloguing and mocking the "chav" lifestyle. These include ChavScum and its spin-off ChavTowns.

Stereotype
A caricature image of the stereotypical chav. Note the track suit, "bling" and counterfeit Burberry cap.

The stereotype of the chav is defined by critics of the supposed chav lifestyle. Few people identify themselves as chavs. Note, however, that "lotto lout" Michael Carroll has "King of Chavs" emblazoned on the side of his car and a number plate reading "L111 OUT" (i.e. "lout").

The essential stereotype is of someone conspicuously "common" i.e. lower-class, where "class" is defined by taste and not income.

Elements of the stereotype

The stereotypical chav is someone who:

    * wears particular clothing, such as:
          o Brand name athletic clothing and shoes. Stereotypically, this might include white trainers and tracksuits.
          o Fake designer clothing and accessories, in particular the distinctive tartan of Burberry, similar to (and perhaps derived from) the casuals of football supporters.
          o "Bling": that is, gaudy gold or platinum jewellery — in particular conspicuous earrings and trinkets on chains for women, and gold sovereign rings for men.
          o Sports caps and hoodies. Often both are worn, the hood pulled up over the baseball cap, thus obscuring the wearer's face.
          o Sports or jogging trousers, often tucked into white sports socks. These are also referred to as "tracky Bs", "trackies" or "tracky bottoms".
    * if female, wears thickly applied make-up, makes heavy use of fake tan, and has a hairstyle in which the hair is pulled back into a tight bun or ponytail (called a "Croydon facelift" or "council-house facelift"), and stilettos.
    * is associated with crass, drunken behaviour and minor criminal activities. This includes unprovoked attacks on members of the public (see happy slapping), vandalism, verbal abuse, and drug abuse. This delinquency may be carried out under the influence of cheap alcohol, often after the pubs have closed.
    * lives on housing estates and other low-income neighbourhoods, often supported by the "dole" (unemployment benefit).
    * eats regularly at fast food places.
    * owns a tastelessly modified car, usually with a basic original specification, but decorated in the style popularised by the film The Fast and the Furious. Vauxhall Novas are one of the many small hatchbacks that are associated with this. A high specification music system with amplified bass may also be included.
    * takes part in under-aged drinking and sex (and, consequently, is associated with teen pregnancy).
    * congregates and loiters in areas such as shopping centres, outside off-licences and fast food restaurant car parks.
    * is fond of texting language slang.
    * pronounces English in a style that is seen to be unsophisticated and characterised by slack diction — for example, the pronunciation of "thing" as "fing".

Commercial impact

The "chav" stereotype and image have had an impact on the commercial world.

The Burberry clothing brand became associated with the chav subculture, and ceased production of its branded baseball cap in an attempt to distance itself from the stereotype. The company pointed out that the chav stereotype is associated with counterfeit versions of the clothing: "They're yesterday's news", stated Stacey Cartrwright, the CEO. "It was mostly counterfeit, and Britain accounts for less than 10% of our sales anyway."

The fall in the sale of thongs has been attributed partially to their association with female "chavs", which suggests that an association with the chav stereotype can be harmful for a brand or item.

Media characterisation and comment

Characterisation

The character Vicky Pollard, as portrayed by Matt Lucas in the BBC comedy series Little Britain, is perhaps the most iconic chav caricature. She is often seen in a pink Kappa tracksuit, and describes - at an almost incoherently fast pace - her activities of under-age drinking and sex, mindless gossip, petty crimes and playing truant. She also has no respect for any form of authority. Matt Lucas himself has admitted that the character was based on the youths he saw in Bristol when he was a student.

A character similar to Vicky Pollard, "Lauren", played by Catherine Tate in The Catherine Tate Show, another BBC comedy series, is a stereotypical chav female, with her catchphrase "Am I bothered?" (pronounced "bovvered"). Tate recently performed this sketch at the Royal Variety Show.

The British magazine Viz includes a character called Tasha Slappa, an exaggerated teenage female chav. The strip satirises chav culture. (The character was originally called "Kappa Slappa" until the Kappa company filed a lawsuit against Viz. It is unknown whether the term "Kappa Slappa" predates its adoption by Viz.)

Lottery millionaire Michael Carroll is the self-proclaimed "King of The Chavs" due to his lifestyle and antics. He is frequently derided in the tabloid press for his anti-social behaviour, and is often referred to as the "Lottery Lout" in the British media.

The Welsh rap group Goldie Lookin' Chain have been described as both embodying and satirising the chav aesthetic, though the group themselves deny any such agenda.

Footballer Wayne Rooney and girlfriend Coleen McLoughlin, glamour model Jordan (AKA Katie Price), actress Danniella Westbrook, and former Big Brother contestant Jade Goody have also been labelled "chavs" by British tabloids.

On London's LBC 97.3 radio station, a regular caller to the Iain Lee show going by the name of Vicky from Croydon is represented as a "chav". She has a theme tune, "My name is Vicky from Croydon and I'm a hardcore chav", and is celebrated in a website entitled "Chavvy Vicky".

Critique of the stereotype

The widespread use of the chav stereotype has come under criticism from some quarters, many arguing that it amounts simply to classism, and that social problems such as teenage pregnancy, delinquency and alcoholism in low-income areas are no laughing matter. Critics of the term have argued that its proponents are "neo-snobs" , and that its increasing popularity raises questions about how British society deals with social mobility and class. In a February 2005 article in The Times, Julie Burchill argued that use of the word is a form of "social racism", and that such "sneering" reveals more about the shortcomings of the "chav haters" than those of their supposed victims. Burchill also produced a Sky One television programme on the topic. The controversy around the term was also the subject of a Channel 4 documentary in July 2005, entitled simply Chavs.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

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You must be kidding ...

Essex is the CHAV native region by a mile...

Rick



Your off yer rocker rick- did you not see Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares last night- Kent coast hotel full of chav scum spending their earnings at their own hotel bar... wearing burberry caps and everything!!! 

'Chav' has some derivation from Chatham- 'chatham average', although I do prefer the theory around the acronym even though it probably originated from Steve Wright in the Afternoon rather than Sir Ian Blair's update on in-house nomenaclature:

kent scum

Ask those medway boys in the mustos what their local totty is like- 'slappers' will be up there in the descriptives. The women of Chatham, the Daily Mail wrote recently in a characteristic burst of maidenly distaste, “pull their shoddily dyed hair back in that ultra-tight bun known as a ‘council-house facelift’, wear skirts too short for their mottled blue thighs, and expose too much of their distressingly flabby midriffs”

Back to sailor girl's posts- not your typical 'bird on a wire' we would take out on an 800 really are they....



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The Daily Mail -- now there's an objective rag.
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In Newcastle, circa 1995, a species known as "charvers" existed, I believe these have now mutated into "chavs", and have now spread like bird flu to most cities and towns, some have even taken to more rural areas, to replace the village idiots.
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the cheltnam average thing has been around since before then. as for replacing village idiots - i think they are them really just under a new name

ooohhh has anyone ever noticed how the congregate near bright lights (bus shelters/chip shops/ laps on street corners) a bit like bugs

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yeh ive seen that. there favourite place near me is either outside the best fish n chips or in the precinct (normaly near woolworths). you never see them alone though. chavs must be conected to each other by some invisible force. some chavs asked me to look for their gold earring in the swimming pool the other day and when i said no they said why and i said because your all chavs and then they all said what did you call my mate mush innit im gona punch ur ed orf or something like it. so i said your all within three feet of me one of you must of heard or do you all need hearing aids. then one of them said stop insultin my mate and i just said go beat up some old laddies for their hearing aids then swam off when they tried to drown me.  i have no sense of self preservation.
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