pumping

   Yes, RS 's allow you to touch marks at opens, and it can get confusing when you get back to your club! (I've done it).
It's like the Soslow, at the champs you still need a protest flag, and have to do a 720 if you hit a mark, but once back in club racing, standard rules apply.

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Rob.e Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rob.e Report Post Quote Reply Topic: pumping Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 6:05pm
	Yes, RS 's allow you to touch marks at opens, and it can get confusing when you get back to your club! (I've done it). It's like the Soslow, at the champs you still need a protest flag, and have to do a 720 if you hit a mark, but once back in club racing, standard rules apply.

Matt Jackson Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962	Post Options Post Reply Quote Matt Jackson Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 6:09pm
	The Contender has a marked increase in speed when planing and pumping effectively brings the windspeed at which planing is possible down thus making it a lot more fun. Also if our class rules are based on this then not pumping puts you at a major disadvantage in both class and handicap racing (the PY is based partly on those that pump).... however I don't see how it can be anything other than confusing to allow some classes to pump and other not!
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Rob.e Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 19 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 545	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rob.e Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 6:47pm
	If you change the rules to allow pumping, that would only apply to class events, so it wouldn't affect the handicap, and at handicap events there is still a level playing field, because standard rules still apply. It does mean you need to be fit at class opens though, guy I know did his first Finn meet, and up went the flag for unlimited pumping allowed....he came home "tired"!! It does allow you to tailor the rules to suit the type of sailing you want to do,ie if you want fast and furious assymetric racing it makes sense to not worry too much about touching marks, whereas for the Solo's who want tight tactical racing it's important to penalise infringments more heavily. Courses for horses!

laser47 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 11 Feb 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser47 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 6:50pm
	i suppose it depends what wind condition you're in. i mean most people were pumping at this years bloody mary and i didn't hear of one protest. if classes are designed/developed to be pumped then it shouldn't come under a breach of rule 42 should it?

gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 7:14pm
	Rule 42 does allow pumping - see the exceptions in 42.3 - but only one pump on each sail per wave or gust and only to initiate planing or surfing. The RYA has some good material on the inerpretation of what is and what is not permitted. As for those who believe "if classes are designed/developed to be pumped then it shouldn't come under a breach of rule 42 should it?" I would recomend that they set up an International Air Rowing Federation and leave the sailors to enjoy real sailing. The way to solve the problem of cheating - for that is what unauthorised pumping is - is for competitors to render the practise socially inacceptable - for clubs to back them up by providing competent juries and for classes to provide the ressources for on the water judging at open events and championships. I have always found that competitors appreciate the calming effect of a RIB flying a Jury flag on fleet behaviour. Once behaviour in a class gets out of hand it is difficult to return to a more acceptable situation. Gordon
	Gordon

jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 9:16pm
	The Finn has a flag that is flown and it is only apllicable in class events. If I saw someone pumping obviously in a handicap race I would warn them (as sometimes people just dont realise) if they took no notice they would get protested! We had an OOD hrow someone out under rule 42 (as I believe you can without protest). I agree it should be dealt with, the protesteee will get over it, it may be worth the friendly off the water chat first before you start throwing protest forms around (isn't that what the RYA Racing charter envourages us to do?) Paul
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Calum_Reid Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 09 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 59	Post Options Post Reply Quote Calum_Reid Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 9:36pm
	In scotland at the rs events we regularly asked the race commitee to not alow RS rules at open events as we dont feel its of a benefit to racing to be allowed to touch marks. I dont know what the feeling is on this but when a 200 sailor asked if we were allowed to at one event the entire 400 fleet shouted NO very loudly.


Ian99 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 07 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 138	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ian99 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 10:52pm
	The "you can pump above xx knots of wind" rule is mainly there because above a certain windstrength on the sea it becomes very difficult to judge whether someone is pumping or just working the boat down the waves (legally) well. Without good video evidence or a jury, proving someone is pumping rather than working the waves in those conditions in a protest room is almost impossible. Repetitively pumping the sails in those conditions without any relation to the waves usually makes the boat go slower anyhow as it disturbs the airflow over the sails so much .... and if that doesn't slow you down, a miss-timed pump which starts a nosedive certainly will!! What is most satisfying though is when you sail straight past someone who is illegally really agressively pumping the spinnaker downwind in a duckpond in lightish winds, with the pumping actually slowing the boat down rather than making it go faster!

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 11:41pm
	Personally, I love to pump when no one is looking I do it in all the local competitions on the red sea and I haven't been caught to this day.

gordon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Sep 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1037	Post Options Post Reply Quote gordon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 06 at 11:44pm
	"We had an OOD hrow someone out under rule 42 (as I believe you can without protest)." Normally a bot can be penalised for a Rule 42 infringement by the Protest Committee (not the race Officer) without a hearing if a memeber of the committee has seen the incident. The penalty is a DNE. This must be noted in the SIs Gordon
	Gordon