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    Posted: 13 Feb 06 at 9:17am
Originally posted by Bumble

No Trolling intended. As an ex tornado (sorry T) sailor you will be aware next to nobody sails them in the UK.

Sorry Bumble, The Uk Tornado fleet is the second biggest tornado fleet in the world second only to Germany. We have a full uk travellers circuit and constantly get big turnouts in the Long distance races. I will list some of the UK nobodys who sailed them in this years nationals if you like in no particular order.

Will Sunnucks (Texel Winner, several national titles, Winner of Archipelago raid and numerous other long distance races) Legend,

Andy Webb (several Uk titles in various classes) Legend,

Hugh Styles (Olympian, Laser european champion with a massive sailing CV) Legend, 

Leigh McMillan (Olympian) Future Legend

Andy Walsh (Future Olympian no doubt)

Rob Garcka (F18 National winner)

Grant Piggott (Numerous nationals winner)

Dave Pitman (former Contender World Champ)

Dave Lloyd (Dart Champion)

I could go on but im getting bored now so heres a link to www.tornadouk.com and a full list of the nationals results results below.

1 
430 
Walsh 
Barney 
RYA 
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1 
2 
7 
1 
2 
1 
4 
4 
23 
16 
2 
434 
Styles 
Rashley 
Downs 
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3 
3 
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1 
1 
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20 
3 
436 
McMillan 
Howden 
RYA 
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1 
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1 
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6 
5 
29 
23 
4 
415 
Farrow 
Lamb 
Worthing 
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4 
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2 
2 
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31 
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437 
Hutchcroft 
Garcka 
Worthing 
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5 
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11 
5 
8 
3 
53 
42 
6 
428 
Garcka 
Crawford 
Worthing 
12 
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6 
2 
4 
7 
8 
3 
10 
60 
48 
7 
420 
Allen 
Farren 
Warsash 
3 
9 
7 
9 
10 
9 
9 
33 
8 
97 
64 
8 
413 
Northrop 
Young 
Minnis Bay 
33 
12 
10 
4 
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5 
13 
5 
6 
97 
64 
9 
423 
Wilson 
Jones 
Largs 
33 
4 
13 
14 
7 
6 
3 
7 
12 
99 
66 
10 
417 
Sunnucks 
Self 
Brightlingsea 
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33 
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8 
33 
9 
7 
118 
85 
11 
73 
Shaw 
Shaw 
Weston 
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18 
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14 
10 
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12 
14 
113 
95 
12 
369 
Piggott 
Windle 
Weston 
13 
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15 
11 
13 
7 
11 
11 
113 
96 
13 
418 
Piggott 
Hawkes 
Weston 
16 
11 
11 
11 
12 
20 
11 
14 
13 
119 
99 
14 
425 
Pitman 
Pitman 
Weston 
17 
14 
14 
10 
15 
17 
10 
10 
33 
140 
107 
15 
412 
Lloyd 
Pelley 
Stokes Bay 
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23 
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13 
16 
144 
111 
16 
377 
Webb 
Gray 
Harwich Town 
10 
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33 
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17 
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145 
112 
17 
411 
Norman 
Vaughan 
Stokes Bay 
19 
21 
20 
19 
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18 
16 
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15 
160 
139 
18 
403 
Milton 
Dodgson 
Brightlingsea 
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19 
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18 
18 
19 
17 
15 
17 
160 
139 
19 
398 
Payne 
Hunt 
Brightlingsea 
8 
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17 
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19 
14 
33 
33 
33 
185 
152 
20 
422 
Reynolds 
Borders 
Whitstable 
14 
18 
12 
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13 
15 
33 
33 
33 
187 
154 
21 
424 
Harrison 
Dowley 
Marconi 
25 
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21 
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18 
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22 
421 
Stahl 
Chatten 
Thorpe Bay 
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19 
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171 
23 
365 
McQueen 
Devoto 
Stokes Bay 
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21 
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20 
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Borley 
Brightlingsea 
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33 
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Harris 
Offer 
Weston 
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22 
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33 
240 
207 
26 
328 
Arnison 
Nik 
Bala 
28 
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27 
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33 
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22 
21 
241 
208 
27 
369 
Howell 
Beeson 
Stokes Bay 
33 
20 
33 
33 
22 
22 
18 
33 
33 
247 
214 
28 
414 
Miller 
Ettling 
North Devon 
27 
26 
25 
33 
25 
25 
22 
33 
33 
249 
216 
29 
409 
Barnes 
Smith 
Brightlingsea 
18 
10 
33 
33 
33 
33 
33 
33 
33 
259 
226 
30 
433 
Mundy 
Averis 
Weston 
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33 
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230 
31 
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Ready 
Harris 
Brightlingsea 
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Lewer 
Devoto 
Stokes Bay 

 
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At my club, Thorpe Bay Yacht Club, there are at least 4 or 5 Ts with kites out every week racing in handicap.
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Originally posted by Bumble

No Trolling intended. As an ex tornado (sorry T) sailor you will be aware next to nobody sails them in the UK.


The last few years I've been seeing them about when you never used to. I thought they'd had quite a resurgance since the kite etc.
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one of the best things about the tornado is the fact there is a constant supply of hardly used sails and boats if it was not for this the cost would be far higher!

the cost may be alot for the average club racer but if you are keen to do the circuit then its a great boat because it is possible to race against the olympic champs etc in the worlds and many other races.
lifes to short to sail slow boats!

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Originally posted by Bumble

No Trolling intended. As an ex tornado (sorry T) sailor you will be aware next to nobody sails them in the UK.

 

Except for the 32 teams at the Nationals !

 http://www.tornadouk.com/news/newsitem.asp?id=1&ar=146

 

only 11 less than the F18's

http://www.f18.org.uk/results.asp

 

I thinks the T has a great future, yes it's expensive, but I'd love one in my stable of boats. 

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No Trolling intended. As an ex tornado (sorry T) sailor you will be aware next to nobody sails them in the UK. We have a load of Darts, Hurricanes (spellin?) and a few F18's. The situation is similar to the FD before it was dropped. The class is undoubtably having a comeback and in a strong, longevid looking way. The Tornado could need just the same thing and the UK multi scene in my view needs more classes and choice to attract people over 'to the other side'.

I answer to my own question I don't think its days are numbered but in the UK at least being dropped would give it a 50/50 chance. Not being dropped at all may be less healthy for its future.
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Nice bit of trolling

I would have to say that the Big T is as secure as any of the other Olympic classes......  May be more so.

F-18 firstly is not elegible because it is not OD.  Secondly the F-18 Association, sailors and manufactures don't want their boat associated with the Olympics....  It is working fine the way it is and is the fastest growing sailing class in the world.

The F-18 has nothing on the Tornado as far as quality, performance or technical skill required to sail it.

If any other cat was to become part of the Olympics, then it too would begin an upwardly spiral of development.....  Olympic sailors will expect their product to be of the same high standards as the Marstrom T and the new class will find itself equally expensive..........  You pay for what you get.

The only risk to the Tornado is that of sailing being dropped from the Olympics.  It would not be the death of the class, however the market for such a high performance and high quality product would not be as strong outside of the Olympic arena and I believe you would see fleet numbers drop quiet a bit.

And for the record......  I am an ex Tornado sailor that is currently racing in the F-18 class and regard it highly for what it is.  In the future, I will return to the Tornado class as I find the boat an absolute dream to sail and is unequaled to any other boat I have ever sailed, cat or mono.



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Originally posted by tornado alive in Olympic classes thread

This may be the case with the FD class, however I have doupts about the future of the Tornado class if it was dropped or if sailing was dropped from the Olympics. Olympic develoment has increased the quality of the Tornado to levels unmatched by any other production catamaran and the price also reflects this.... Some 50 to 80% more expensive than an equivilent size boat. However the Tornado was originaly designed as the Multihull class for the Olympics, so members of the class can not winge about the classes inclusion..... If you don't like it, do not join the class

This I think was an interesting view. When the FD was dropped from the Olympics I threw my hands up crying that 'the most technically demanding of the dinghies was the only way to mark the pinnacle of our sport'. I have since sobered my view and it is great to see that it was indeed a positive move for the class.

My question to my fellow forum users is, what do you think is the future for the Tornado class? Will the Olympics replace it and will that be its death? Will the much celebrated (in New development class thread at least) F18 rule see it to the grave?
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