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    Posted: 13 Nov 05 at 7:28am

I don't see the AC as the pinnacle of sailing, although it is the pinnacle of cheque-book sailing. The point about Olympic sailing is it is reasonably accessible to anyone with the talent; at least that is the case in the UK. You could not say that about the AC.

If the objective of Olympic sailing is to find the best sailors in the world, the new format seriously damages that. If the objective is to produce exciting TV, it is ridiculously unlikely to succeed without many other changes. The proposals are half-baked by either set of criteria.

 

 
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Beach volleyball!..... prefer it..... So do I.

Pinnacle of our sport? Now your just being silly. can't see the
Americas cup boys thinking that, and I don't see any Dev boats in the
Olympics. But you can build a new Hi Tech bike and whip the other track
cycling boys arses. What I'm saying is the modern Olympics is full of
hypocrisy and double standards. It is in fact a vast group of arbitrary
races. Over recent years it has become a highly political commercialised
event with its own odd competitive atmosphere. The values and images
you are justifiably trying to hold on to went out the window 40 years ago.
To the detriment of global sporting culture, but they have gone. And
unfortunately we need to stay with programme, and embrace it, in fact
utilise it to improve, expand and involve more people in our sport.
Changing a race format of a group of elite arbitrary sail boat racers for
the benefit of increased viewer excitement is a small price to pay for the
increased exposure and interest generated.
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Originally posted by Cheeky

Start thinking of the Olympics as a Advert for your sport and you'll get a different perspective.

But I don't. I think of it, as it has been up to now, as the pinnacle of my sport. The same thing we all do but taken to the Nth degree. I don't really care whether Joe Public wants to watch it on TV and I don't think these proposals would make much difference to that anyway. Joe Public will always prefer Beach Volleyball. 
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

The question is, how would it look
if the IOC threw out a major sport just to get better TV coverage? A
hollow threat, I suspect.


They'd be throwing out an unpopular minority sport which would bring a
huge and totally disproportianate reduction in the costs of staging the
event. A big hit with just about everey city wishing to host the games I
should think.


Jim's right... sailing at the Olympics is...

A minority sport,.... in terms of viewer-ship. Expensive to organise,
expensive to televise e.t.c hence the recent proposals so the investment
gets a return!

Unfortunately sailing doesn't have any regular spectatorship. So a global
ordinance se has to be educated every 4 years.

Unfortunately we seem to be looking at this from inside the gold fish
bowl. Start thinking of the Olympics as a Advert for your sport and you'll
get a different perspective.

Yes, I'm not sure I'd like to see the format taken up by my clubs RO but I
am sure that this wouldn't happen, judging from the feelings on here
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But I'm sure that most bidding cities would be delighted if the Olympic consisted of nothing more than swimming, gymnastics and athletics - the big selling/ratings winning events, with a few more cheap sports for colour - not ones where you have to build specialised arena/venues.

Baseball/softball have been dropped for the London Olympics - and not been replaced with anything else.

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They are not short of cities queueing up to host the games, sailing included.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

The question is, how would it look if the IOC threw out a major sport just to get better TV coverage? A hollow threat, I suspect.


They'd be throwing out an unpopular minority sport which would bring a huge and totally disproportianate reduction in the costs of staging the event. A big hit with just about everey city wishing to host the games I should think.
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Originally posted by Zaphod

This is all a very bad joke.  The Olympic Games should about top quality sport, not sacrificed for entertainment.

Correct but that ideal dissappeared many years ago ... now it is a circus.

All top level sport is driven by money - just look at what a mess the media has made of football.
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As long as the RO adopts the new format and includes the TV crew that
televises your local clubs Sunday race surely that'll be OK.
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What hapens at the Olympics will in itself have very little impact on grass roots sailing. What worries me is the number of classes and clubs who will think it a good idea to use the same fomat for other events.

In much the same way - when the Olympic classes started using trapezoid courses to enable one committee to manage 2 fleets, lots of clubs started using this course for their club or fleet racing. Many people seemed to believe that because the course was used in the Olympics it was in sme way the "official" course.

 

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