49er medal race

Originally posted by Spyderman Did ESP and ITA protests DEN? No the RC did. ITA and ESP requested redress afterwards, which is invalid in a medal race. You can't cover all eventualities, sailing has too many variables.

Actually ESP did protest Denmark, alongside the RC protest.

The fact of the matter is, Denmark didn't gain anything from using a different boat.  It wasn't there's, was badly set up, different roap lengths and control systems.  There was no gain what-so-ever, but many drawbacks.  Christ, they started 4 minutes and 50 something seconds after the gun!  ESP and ITAS need to suck it in, and just accepthat the better sailors won. 

finally, maybe this comes down to the conditions.  Should the RC have raced the 49ers in that breeze and sea state?  Every single boat capsized at least once, and there was a mast breakge.  N ot really medal race conditions...

Originally posted by RyanV49er Yeah this may happen occasionally in a few random cases, but it just seems far more likely to happen in sailing.  The on water umpires were supposed to sort this out in the medal race, shame it hasn't. And I don't think we can compare this to doping.  That's completely different.

Addendum Q:
Q5 PROTESTS; REQUESTS FOR REDRESS OR REOPENING; APPEALS;
OTHER PROCEEDINGS
Q5.1 No proceedings of any kind may be taken in relation to any action or non-action by an umpire, except as permitted in instruction Q5.2.
Q5.2 (a) A boat may not base a request for redress on a claim that an action by an official boat or helicopter was improper. The protest committee may Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad (BOCOG) 15 decide to consider giving redress in such circumstances if it believes that an official boat or helicopter, including an umpire boat, may have seriously interfered with a competing boat. The race committee may request the protest committee to consider this.
(b) A boat may not base a request for redress on a claim that an action by an umpire acting under Addendum P was incorrect. The protest committee may decide to consider giving redress in such circumstances, but only to the extent permitted by Addendum P.
Q5.3 A boat may not request redress under rule 62.1(a). The protest committee may decide to consider giving redress under that rule if it believes that an error may have been made. The race committee may request the protest committee to consider this.
Q5.4 A boat may not base an appeal on an alleged improper action, omission or decision of the umpires or the protest committee. In rule 66 the third sentence is changed to ‘A party to the hearing may not ask for a reopening.’
Q5.5 (a) Protests and requests for redress need not be in writing.
(b) The protest committee may take evidence and conduct the hearing in any way it considers appropriate and may communicate its decision orally.
Q5.6 The race committee will not protest a boat except for an alleged breach of a measurement rule.
Q5.7 The protest committee will not protest a boat for breaking instruction Q3.2 or Q4.2(a), a rule listed in instruction Q2.1, or rule 14 when there is no damage or injury.

How do you want the on the water Umpires see if a boat complies with a measurement rule? They look for infringements on Part 2 rules and penalize only when a boat protests.
Did ESP and ITA protests DEN? No the RC did.
ITA and ESP requested redress afterwards, which is invalid in a medal race.
You can't cover all eventualities, sailing has too many variables.

However, medals being changed hours or days after is not unique to sailing- for instance, in the 200m Sprint in Athletics the Bronze has been won by the guy who crossed the line 5th- one runner was disqualified (for stepping out of his lane) almost immediatly, and another for the same offence several hours later when the race was reviewed.

 

Then there's the doping scandal going down concerning horses...

SI 18.7 Breaches of instructions 2, 3, 10.3, 13.3, 20, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 23, 24, 25, 27 and 28 will not be grounds for a protest by a boat. This changes rule 60.1(a).

Penalties for these breaches may be less than disqualification if the jury so decides.

http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/08_OG_SailingInstruct ions-[5934].pdf

http://www.sailing2008.org/file01/NoticeofRace-OlympicSailin gCompetition.pdf

I simply can't see that the jury has ruled AGAINST the rules. One might disagree with their judgement, but the fundamental rule 3c in RRS states, that decisions by the jury are to be respected, and not brought to other instances than those mentioned in the rules (can't find CAS anywhere).

 

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