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    Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:03pm

The Spanish Olympic Committee has brought the case to CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sports).

They are "accusing" the jury, on their decision of calling the usage of the Croatian boat for legal.

They'll hang it on various points:

1) Point 21.1 & 21.3 of the sailing instruction, where it is specified, that its allowed to change parts of the boat that are broken. They intepretate, that it does not include the hull

2) Point 3 of the NoR says, that every boat in the medal race should sail with camera weighing approx 3 kg, which the croatian boat didn't carry.

3) Point 13 of the sailing instruction says that every boat competing in the medal race must be quarantined 24 hours up to the race (dont ask my why). The Croation boat wasnt.

4) Obviously the issue of not having DEN, but CRO in the main sail.

With all these points, the Spanish claims that the decision of the jury was not correct.

Against is the ruling of the jury, that basicly takes all these matters into account, but states, that no advantage was gained from an of the "violatons".

 

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So what do the media want to see - the best sailors in the world competing at the highest level and winning gold medals.  It's not about spectacular wipe-outs and high tech boats, its about the competition and the competitors.  Gold medals create media interest. Whats generated the most media interest at the games - Mr Phelps and his medals.

But explain how a sailor (Ben Ainsle, because he is one of the best in the world) could feasably win 7 medals in sailing?

The way it is run you would have to have one race in each class and 30 classes to win that amount of medals. (this probably an exaggeration but you get my drift.)

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Or the SB3 with VW on their sails

Not withstanding the Laser 4000 and 5000 who were massively sponsered by Audi for about 5/6 years?

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Originally posted by WildWood

I can't think of a single company name I'd associate with Olympic sailing. 

Shine a light! The entire GBR Olympic sailing squad is title sponsored by SKANDIA.

Never see any boats with VOLVO on the sails?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote WildWood Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 3:23pm

So what do the media want to see - the best sailors in the world competing at the highest level and winning gold medals.  It's not about spectacular wipe-outs and high tech boats, its about the competition and the competitors.  Gold medals create media interest. Whats generated the most media interest at the games - Mr Phelps and his medals.

Oh and btw there is no shortage of money in sailing - the opposite in fact - sailing must have some of the wealthiest people in the UK / world woh take part.  And I don't see any direct relationship between Olympic sailing and the amount of cash going into grass routes / club sailing - how did you work that one out?

If there were huge amounts of sponsorship cash being paid to sailing for Olympic coverage the sponsors must be a bit peeved as I can't think of a single company name I'd associate with Olympic sailing.  The coverage was on an obscure digital channel early in the morning and it was mostly so dull I couldn't bring myself to watch it

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Guys wake up ... the Olympics is about money now. Huge sponsorship deals are put in place because to the exposure for the sponsors in the media; TV being the biggest one.

If a sport is to be in the Olympics it has to create media interest.

If we want our sport to retain it's place we have to recognise the needs of the media.

If we don't and get deselected the lack of money in grass routes sailing would be very noticable.

Whatever the media needs do to our sport the Olympics will remain the pinnacle of small boat sailng. Dosn't matter what course/classes we sail it will always be the pinnacle as it has the status and the althletes will adjust to it.

 

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I think you are right, trying to use the olympics as a shop window is doomed to failure, its too much of a contradiction to the point of the games, to find the best in the world.  To that end maybe keeping older classes like the star and finn is not such a bad idea, they are (abeit with some development) a fairly consistant benchmark against which to judge each cycle's sailors against the last. 

The classes should reflect the boats people sail outside of the games, but likewise people will always sail olympic boats because they are exactly that.  Having said that, my personal take on keelboats in particular is that ISAF should have a single class (that way they can have 10 events AND a cat) pick something about the size of an SB3 (but nessiarily that) put a max weight on it and a compulsary crew of 4, 2 men, 2 women, and have it as a mixed class.  Now that would be a great advert for sailing, a sport where men and women are not only equal but compete together, it not just horse riding that can do it!

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Why should the Olympics be a 'profile raising opportunity' for the sport?  It should be the pinnacle of sail boat racing.  It should be difficult to win, and the best sailors should get the prizes?  Make the best, most competetive racing in boats that sailors want to sail and it will fill its role, and more than likely it will be good to watch. Changing the type of boats, or courses being sailed at the Olympics isn't going to have much impact on the number of people taking up the sport, but it could make it more competetive and therefore better.  Might make it more interesting for those who already sail.  Racing 100m from the shore was a mistake in Qindao because the wind was obviously crap there.

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The Olympics is a great shop window for sport; I have watched many hours of it and I will never throw a shot put, or 100m sprint but I still watch it and so do many others; billions in fact.

So the Olympics is about raising the sports profile amongst a very wide audience. I think our range of Olympic classes don't offer the best advert for our sport.

Star & Yngling are dire ... I can't see any non-sailor watching that and thinking I'd like to try that.

But I can see people being interested in wizzing along in a T or thrashing about in a 49er, or the beach appeal of the RSX ... Laser/470 looks very doable...

We are not far off but I really thing we do benefit from some skiffy boats crashing all over the screen ...

 

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