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    Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by oz man

so many posts on this race i dont know who to wind up first.

i cant see why some of you guys think this was a bad advert for our sport fast,dramatic,full of incident,breakages, challenging conditions, the best sailors in the world finding it difficult what more could you ask for? so some of the half boats fell over. who ever said winning a gold medal was supposed to be easy. this race will not lower sailings profile any lower than the previous weeks driftathon.

scooby your boy wants a 49er for christmas that must be like getting stabbed through the heart. it could be worse though just think he could have watched the guys trotting about on horses in the dressarge and want horse ridding lesson. that would be awful!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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My thoughts in no particular order...

I'm afraid that sailing has been a bit of an embarrasment as a spectator sport this time round.  Boring as hell for most of it and then carnage.  Joe Public simply won't understand it...and it's all down to a ridiculous venue.

I did enjoy watching the 49er race, but it was a shame that the conditions were such that it just turned into a destruction derby.  As a sailor myself I could tell how gnarly those conditions were and I was wincing at evey bear away, but for people who don't sail, or possibly don't sail skiffs, it was impossible to convey how tricky a 2 sail gybe was or how tricky it was to get a 9er to point downhill again after it has come up head to wind after a swim.  The format made a bunch of highly skilled elite sailors look amateurish in the eyes of your average footy fan, it would be the same as runners ploughing through every hurdle, weightlifters dropping every bar, horse riders demolishing a course or a track cycling event turning into a pile up with the winner being the first back on their bike.

In my mind if ever there was a case for the 49er to be developed or even replaced by a multi rigged boat that was it, and no I'm not talking 12 foot skiffs and four rigs.  So many regattas now seem to have silly winds at either end of the spectrum, not sure if this is perhaps a recent "climate change" thing or it's more historical.  After having raced skiffs for a while now I really do appreciate the fact that I can have fully powered up full bore racing in such a variety of conditions, I would really like to see this adopted for an Olympic class that is undeniably over-ragged when things get really breezy.  How hard would it be to have the ability to change down to a 29erXX rig for big breeze, and perhaps we would have seen some more enjoyable racing that would appeal more to your average bloke in the street?

As much as I enjoyed the race and think the Danes deserved it, trying to explain that the Danes who looked like Croats won because they overtook some unknown people swimming round their boat becasue they'd used the big flag sail going down the course when perhaps they should not have, even though normally they would when sailing in that direction but not the other direction of course, but of course it's all subject to the commitee decision because perhaps they should not have used that Croatian boat without checking first, even though yes of course they are all the same, is hardly the "more easy to understand format" that the whole "medal race" idea was supposed to bring to the masses is it!

Classes hammering downwind with suitable sail area for the conditions and the big flaggy sail crossing the line first is!

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Originally posted by mike ellis

errrm, i cant find any of these protests or the information about them on the ISAF site. can someone point me in the right direction please.


Go back on page on this thread to my post at 12:44..

othewise go to the olympics section then protests and documents link on the lower left hand side...
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errrm, i cant find any of these protests or the information about them on the ISAF site. can someone point me in the right direction please.
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so many posts on this race i dont know who to wind up first.

i cant see why some of you guys think this was a bad advert for our sport fast,dramatic,full of incident,breakages, challenging conditions, the best sailors in the world finding it difficult what more could you ask for? so some of the half boats fell over. who ever said winning a gold medal was supposed to be easy. this race will not lower sailings profile any lower than the previous weeks driftathon.

scooby your boy wants a 49er for christmas that must be like getting stabbed through the heart. it could be worse though just think he could have watched the guys trotting about on horses in the dressarge and want horse ridding lesson. that would be awful!!!!!!!!!

 

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Originally posted by sailorbob

Looks as though the jury deserve a gold medal as well. (never thought I`d say that!) Just read the decision. Simple, logical common sense in the best interests of the sport of sailing. Well done John and his committee. It`s good to see that sailing has such robust regulations as many sports would have failed this test and allowed the situation to descend into farce.


I think you've spoken to soon - check out protest no 75
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Looks as though the jury deserve a gold medal as well. (never thought I`d say that!) Just read the decision. Simple, logical common sense in the best interests of the sport of sailing. Well done John and his committee. It`s good to see that sailing has such robust regulations as many sports would have failed this test and allowed the situation to descend into farce.
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Originally posted by Roy Race

Originally posted by laser4000

And just when we thought it was all over...

Protest 75
49ers ITA / ES vs. Race Committee, DEN & RC requested to attend.
 

Uh oh!  



What I reckon's happened is that whilst the sailors were happy to accept the status quo, the "spanish or italian sparky" or his equivalent either decided himself or got the call from the 'chef de mission' to get back in the room... you've got to be a brave man to say 'no' to your paymaster especially as if it looks like the chances of gold in other fleets is limited..


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 2:41pm

No-one is going to go out and buy a 49er because they watched that race; but that race may raise the profile or the sport and interest people in trying sailing.

Much more so that watching 470's creep along at 2 knots ...

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Originally posted by laser4000

And just when we thought it was all over...

Protest 75
49ers ITA / ES vs. Race Committee, DEN & RC requested to attend.
 

Uh oh!  

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