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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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Given where the mast failed, ie: about 50cm down from the lower spreaders, it is highly unlikely to be a manufacturing defect as there are not fittings there, unless there is a problem with the aluminium extrusion. My guess is that there was not enough rig tension and as the crew weight bounced around in the chop the shock load of two guys on the trapeeze would have bent the mast. If it had gone at the join or the hounds, or the gooseneck then you could start thinking about the engineering. well the 49ers will have all carbon masts for 2012 as requested by the class association, so we will have to see what happenes in 4 years time |
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Teamvmg ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 99 |
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You have to have the right sail insignia in a medal race to be so that the other competitors know who is who and who to cover/watch. Its like boats pretending that their electrics have gone so that they do no have to report in their positions on a trans-atlantic race, when they know where everyone else is in the fleet. |
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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The Danes have been confirmed as gold medalists by the Jury.
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sailorbob ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Cut out the whingeing guys. This coverage has done more for the image of sailing than anything that`s gone before.It wasn`t classic sailing, but we can leave that to Ben.We saw excitement and drama and sportsmanship in spades. If the danes sought permission at the earliest opportunity (even if it was after the race) there shouldn`t be a problem. If the race committee can`t see that they need to grow up.
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Teamvmg - I take your point, but in this particular race I think the Danes could afford to come last and still win, so no amount of covering would change the result. Phil - It may not be a defective mast in that it may not be different to any of the others, but two normal sized guys went sailing in conditions considered suitable by the race committee and their mast broke. Do the manufacturers recommend a minimum rig tension? Do they offer a warantee that is only honoured if the mast is used within certain limits? Is bouncing around not allowed? A mast should be able to withstand the vims and vigours of racing. It didn't. As the competitors did not have the choice of using another mast manufacturer or designer, it can not be their fault that it broke if they weren't abusing it. As top level sailors I'm fairly sure they would only use their mast in a way they considered necessary for winning races, no mucking about. |
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kanga ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 248 |
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Only if your sat on the bow downwind! |
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kanga ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Oct 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 248 |
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Also, for those who are against the Danes winning - food fo thought:
Surely its the olympic spirit that keeps the competition alive - what a fantastic story - they were at such a huge disadvantage - I think we all thought it was over for them. They sailed all teh way in, they rigged an entire new boat and sailed all the way back out- knackered probably and crossed the startline, made it round the course and caught up enough to be in gold medal position - that, until now, I would've written off as impossible. Its a fairytale ending to a fantastic day - and when you spend all your time trianing in a boat, to jump into another, customised fora different crew - well, that makes life very tricky too. Welldone to them and I am glad the medal wasn't tarnished by a protest in the shape of bad sportsmanship. |
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laser4000 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |
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Protest decision in full
As summised earlier in this thread - apparently the mast step had gone, which scuppered their abillity to use their boat... |
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And just when we thought it was all over...
Protest 75 49ers ITA / ES vs. Race Committee, DEN & RC requested to attend. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Yep, my view is that fast boats crashing is not the only, or best, way to sell the sport. The car racing analogy is flawed, IMHO, because some of the world's biggest cpmpanies spend vast sums (although they are tiny to suchj massive companies) on motorsport yet it attracts no more participants than sailing. Apocryphal tales are easy to counter - your kids may have got into watching 49ers, my stepkids first sailed with a national Tornado champ, one of them did two nationals on an F16 type cat. Their cousins came in from a fast-boat background, then went into fairly quick junior dinghies with success at club level. None of them sail boats now, despite all coming from families with Tornado experience. So while we could trade stories, it won't get as far and is perhaps not a good basis for cries of "rubbish". Interestingly, one of the 49er's creators (Peter Johnson of J-Boat fame, whose OD 14 was arguably the first SMOD skiff type) commissioned a large survey into why people don't sail small boats. North Sails were involved too. Performance was NOT an issue - people did not think sailing was boring, they thought it was expensive, elitist and difficult. Peter now sells carbon cats, but he still believes in the truth of what the survey revealed. |
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