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Laser 173312
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Topic: 49er medal racePosted: 18 Aug 08 at 2:17pm |
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I agree the "car racing analogy is flawed" as most people in developed countries use some sort of vehicle most days. F1 has a big following because cars are an everyday part of our lives. This is not the case with sailing boats. Although few people take up organised motorsport, most people will get in a Renault, Toyota, BMW or Honda on a regular basis and these companies use F1 to advertise and they will tell you how the computer in your Megane if closely related to the F1 car's.
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My son will have his first sail this summer on mf F16, I will also try and blag him a go on a 49er as well. If he decides to sail (his Ski coach wants him to Ski race) he may crew for me for a while, but if/when he goes single handed he will start (if he want) down the RYA development route that starts in Mono's and then (Currently) they can split to 420's/29er's or Cats. He has been enticed ito sailing by being the son of a sailor and seeing the 49ers on TV; Has the 49er race made any difference, Yes, I think so, he is even more keen on sailing. IMO the only way to get people interesting in sailing is to make it more appealing to TV, this means crash and burn. Of those people who watch it, perhaps 1% might think it was worth a try, and they will hopefully go to a sailing club of company that offers sailing holidays and sign up and have a try, we know they won't go out in a 49er or Tornado to start with, but they will remember what they watched of the 49er or Tornado and (Hopefully) want to progress to that. How do you propose to attract people into sailing?
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Chris 249
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Yep, my view is that fast boats crashing is not the only, or best, way to sell the sport. The car racing analogy is flawed, IMHO, because some of the world's biggest cpmpanies spend vast sums (although they are tiny to suchj massive companies) on motorsport yet it attracts no more participants than sailing. Apocryphal tales are easy to counter - your kids may have got into watching 49ers, my stepkids first sailed with a national Tornado champ, one of them did two nationals on an F16 type cat. Their cousins came in from a fast-boat background, then went into fairly quick junior dinghies with success at club level. None of them sail boats now, despite all coming from families with Tornado experience. So while we could trade stories, it won't get as far and is perhaps not a good basis for cries of "rubbish". Interestingly, one of the 49er's creators (Peter Johnson of J-Boat fame, whose OD 14 was arguably the first SMOD skiff type) commissioned a large survey into why people don't sail small boats. North Sails were involved too. Performance was NOT an issue - people did not think sailing was boring, they thought it was expensive, elitist and difficult. Peter now sells carbon cats, but he still believes in the truth of what the survey revealed. |
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Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 1:25pm |
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And just when we thought it was all over...
Protest 75 49ers ITA / ES vs. Race Committee, DEN & RC requested to attend. |
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Protest decision in full
As summised earlier in this thread - apparently the mast step had gone, which scuppered their abillity to use their boat... |
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Also, for those who are against the Danes winning - food fo thought:
Surely its the olympic spirit that keeps the competition alive - what a fantastic story - they were at such a huge disadvantage - I think we all thought it was over for them. They sailed all teh way in, they rigged an entire new boat and sailed all the way back out- knackered probably and crossed the startline, made it round the course and caught up enough to be in gold medal position - that, until now, I would've written off as impossible. Its a fairytale ending to a fantastic day - and when you spend all your time trianing in a boat, to jump into another, customised fora different crew - well, that makes life very tricky too. Welldone to them and I am glad the medal wasn't tarnished by a protest in the shape of bad sportsmanship. |
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Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 12:28pm |
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Only if your sat on the bow downwind! |
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Teamvmg - I take your point, but in this particular race I think the Danes could afford to come last and still win, so no amount of covering would change the result. Phil - It may not be a defective mast in that it may not be different to any of the others, but two normal sized guys went sailing in conditions considered suitable by the race committee and their mast broke. Do the manufacturers recommend a minimum rig tension? Do they offer a warantee that is only honoured if the mast is used within certain limits? Is bouncing around not allowed? A mast should be able to withstand the vims and vigours of racing. It didn't. As the competitors did not have the choice of using another mast manufacturer or designer, it can not be their fault that it broke if they weren't abusing it. As top level sailors I'm fairly sure they would only use their mast in a way they considered necessary for winning races, no mucking about. |
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Cut out the whingeing guys. This coverage has done more for the image of sailing than anything that`s gone before.It wasn`t classic sailing, but we can leave that to Ben.We saw excitement and drama and sportsmanship in spades. If the danes sought permission at the earliest opportunity (even if it was after the race) there shouldn`t be a problem. If the race committee can`t see that they need to grow up.
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Posted: 18 Aug 08 at 11:43am |
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The Danes have been confirmed as gold medalists by the Jury.
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