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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Link to Andy's story on the desicion
It does seem common-sense has prevailed. Would anyone really want any other result? |
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laserboy404 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 14 Mar 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 146 |
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Good Result The Danes deserve it! Edited by laserboy404 |
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laser4000 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |
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I agree that the Danes deserve the Gold, they sailed the best series, but It'll be interesting to read that jury decision - unless there is boat damage then I don't really understand how they can score anything other than DNS in the medal race.
but as ESP have accepted the results I think that'll be it, and full marks to the Spanish guys.. |
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Mark Jardine ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 04 Location: Milford-on-Sea, United King Online Status: Offline Posts: 1028 |
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Full marks to all the 49er sailors and I'm so pleased the Danes have won gold. What a show they put on for us! |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Excellent news. I notice that it was the measurement committee, not any of the competitors, who lodged the protest. Is anyone able to lodge a protest in a race, whether they are competing or not? How closely involved do you need to be?
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PeterV ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 131 |
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Well done to the jury, very good decision but I have to say that I'm with G.R.F. on the 49er, 470 race far more like it!
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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Hmmmmmm. I'm not convinced at all. Sure, it's the right decision from a feel-good "they deserved it" perspective, but the Danes didn't comply wth any of the rules. You just can't borrow someone else's boat!!! It wasn't quarantined the night before, no camera, wrong stickers on the sail, the list goes on. I think the race officer should have just ignored them in his results. He will have been expecting DEN on the racecourse but their boat didn't start the race. I'm amazed the PC have come up with this decision and am interested to see what repercussions it will have because I'm sure there will be some. |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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Had it been a Finn of Star I would have said that the result should not count. In those classes the competitors chose the equipment they want and develop masts and sails that are as light as possible. Therefore if they break, you could argue they have pushed the limits too far and got what the deserved. However, the 49er is a SMOD. You have no control over the quality of the equipment, or its suitability for the conditions. You just get what you are given. It hardly seems fair that the sailor should be punished for equipment failure that was outside his control. Yes, you could argue that they should have had a spare mast, sails, mast gate, hull, etc etc, but that seems to be contray to the one-design ethos. Surely one-design classes are about keeping costs down, so to require you to own two boats to be competitive is senseless. I can not see that the Danes gained any advantage using the Croatian boat, except perhaps the lack of camera on the back. But in the circumstances (they only had to finish to win, and the wind was so strong that the weight of the camera had negligable effect on performance) I think the jury has made the right call. I don't think this sets a blanket precedence. As I said earlier if the class, weather conditions or importance of the race were different, the ruling may have been too. Its also worth noting that none of the competitors lodged a protest. |
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laser4000 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 589 |
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I would agree with your argument if it was 'boats provided' but I'm pretty certain iin the 9er it's not... Do you really think that sailors in SMOD olympic classes only have one boat? As for masts..well I recollect that 'stevie and ben' were talking somewhere about saving their 'best' mast for Qingdao..and many a laser sailor has tested various masts to find the 'right one' Edited by laser4000 |
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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The 49ers are owners boats, but the Lasers are provided. If Goodies mast falls down tomorrow (pre-start, when he isn't ragging it) is that his fault? There are shades of grey. In the Finn, if, say, Ben's mast fell down, that would be his fault and he should have no comeback. He should have used a stronger mast. In the Laser, Goody would rightly be peeved and doubtless would seek redress. The 49er is somewhere in the middle. The boat wasn't supplied, but every boat is nominally identical within manufacturing tolerance, so again, it it their fault if the equipment is sub-standard. If the IOC/ISAF are going to force equipment on sailors, it is their responsibilty to ensure it is fit for purpose. Whilst that particular 49er mast was not forced on the Danes, every 49er mast is supposed to be the same, so (in theory) they couldn't have selected a better one if they'd wanted to. Requiring every team to have a spare (two spare, three spare?) boats at £10k+ is against the Olympic spirit, even if, in reality, some wealthy teams already do this. |
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