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    Posted: 17 Aug 08 at 7:44pm
Well, the BBC obviously only care about medals, not exciting pics, as there was no mention of the 49ers at all just now on the highlights. Lets face it, the whole country went mad about bowling on ice with brooms at the last winter games because it was the only thing the brits could do. What the sport is seems not to matter, but being good at it and having media friendly faces seems to be what matters, so each country follows the sports they are good at. 
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Originally posted by JimC

That seems to be a myth. Of course the IOC regularly changes its mind about what factors are important and what aren't for a sport to be in the games, but TV coverage is not that high on the list at the moment.

TV appeal was certainly on the recent list of desiderata that the IOC presented to the ISAF in relation to class selection. The fact that TV-friendly sports are being deselected doesn't imply that TV appeal is irrelevant; they are being dropped for other reasons.

TV rights are how the IOC makes much of its money. It's as simple as that.

 
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Originally posted by JimC

We were discussing it over lunch at my sailing club and I was by no means the only one who felt that you had to understand what was going on to appreciate how on the edge the boats are and that the sense of it really didn't come over. Unless you've tried the sketchy game of bearing away from the windward mark in big breeze and waves do you really understand why they were being so lairy and taking the marks so wide?

The Danes were both trapezing into the finish but I saw others with the crew praying in the middle of the boat.

Yes the 49er race had us on the edge of our seats, both me and the 29er youngster in the same room. I have sailed in those conditions in a properly classic sort of dinghy, and I still think some of the leeward mark roundings were taken far too wide, not that it matttered as staying upright seemeed to be more important.

I have just watched the evening sailing program and it seems to me now that the wind varied quite a lot from one medal race to another and we didn't get many figures re the wind strength.

I do hope the Danes hang on to Gold - maybe they would win simply on the fewest capsizes?

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dam i missed it, had to race.

anyone know if you can watch it again? does bbc iplayer do it?
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I think the Brazilians had the idea costing in under genoa....
Ultimately I think it was the waves rather than the wind that ultimately caused all the trouble.


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Originally posted by Roy Race

I agree. I thought it was a bit silly and a poor advert for the sport. I hate to
say it, but GRF could be right. It didn't look stupidly windy, but the best 49er
sailors in the world couldn't get round the course. I bet a well sailed 420
would have won that race on the water.

I think, to non-sailors, the drifters would have been a worse advertisement. The sailing in the 49er race may have got a bit lary and daft, but purely as a sporting story, you couldn't have made up that drama better.

However, I'm really hoping the 470s get a similar breeze - I reckon they will make an even better spectacle.
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You're right, I got befuddled by the double points.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd


For anybody who's still interested, it looks like the Yngling Bronze has been awarded to France instead of Greece, following a protest and redress (to be confirmed). It seems odd to have held the medal ceremonies before the protests were completed. 


Nah - they've update the protest decisions and the overalls on the ISAF site to include the redress for the frenchies and a DSQ for AUS still leaves the Greeks in Bronze.
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

In principal, me neither. However it seems that's a necessary condition for sailing continuing as an Olympic sport.

That seems to be a myth. Of course the IOC regularly changes its mind about what factors are important and what aren't for a sport to be in the games, but TV coverage is not that high on the list at the moment. It was about 8 years ago, but that's history. A couple of sports with pretty good TV ratings are or have been on the chop list.

Sailing has a lot of pluses. Its got a long Olympic history, its relatively cheap to put on (no stadium, no pool, no lake, no artficial hills), the legacy facilities are relatively useful (Qingdao was probably chosen because that was where the Chinese wanted a former Olympic marina and facilities: nothing to do with its merits as a venue) and a whole bunch of other factors.
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Originally posted by JimC

But personally I'm not particularly bothered whther sailing is watched by non sailors or not.

In principal, me neither. However it seems that's a necessary condition for sailing continuing as an Olympic sport.
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