Which boat?

   From what I've heard, the RS-800 isn't too much more difficult to sail
than the 4000, some people even say its easier. The sheet loads are
meant to be lower & twin stringing, you've got more leverage to
keep her upright. The 800 is well designed, utilises her sail area well
and is a really quick boat. In comparision to other skiffs, her sail
area is smallish, but she is one of the fastest. If you can afford to
get a boat with a lot of sails maybe go for an 800 because if your
ultimate aim is to get into twin wire boats, she'd be the perfect
introduction and you wouldn't have to sell a single wire boat later on
to achieve your goal.

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49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Which boat? Posted: 09 Sep 05 at 11:29pm
	From what I've heard, the RS-800 isn't too much more difficult to sail than the 4000, some people even say its easier. The sheet loads are meant to be lower & twin stringing, you've got more leverage to keep her upright. The 800 is well designed, utilises her sail area well and is a really quick boat. In comparision to other skiffs, her sail area is smallish, but she is one of the fastest. If you can afford to get a boat with a lot of sails maybe go for an 800 because if your ultimate aim is to get into twin wire boats, she'd be the perfect introduction and you wouldn't have to sell a single wire boat later on to achieve your goal.
	Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 Helensburgh S.C Boat Insurance from Noble Marine

CurlyBen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539	Post Options Post Reply Quote CurlyBen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Sep 05 at 11:17pm
	Yeah, I think I might go for the 4000 and get a bit more practice on an assymetric boat, as it's a one design boat it means less decisions! When I know a bit more about the boats I'll get myself a Cherub, see what happens really. I need to try a few boats out I think, not sure where to do that at the moment. I'd like to know if I can cope with a twin wire boat, that's ultimately what I want to get into.

49erGBR735HSC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991	Post Options Post Reply Quote 49erGBR735HSC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Sep 05 at 10:13pm
	4000 or Cherub seem the best bet. Wouldn't suggest the 5000, really heavy and powerful and would be a bit of handful if you're not used to trapezing, plus have a massive kite which you have to put into a bag instead of having a spinnaker chute.
	Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 Helensburgh S.C Boat Insurance from Noble Marine

jpbuzz591 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 24 May 05 Location: England Online Status: Offline Posts: 793	Post Options Post Reply Quote jpbuzz591 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 11:32pm
	Down at chew there are quite a few Laser 4000's and a couple which race on sundays. Might be worth asking them if you can go out for a quick spin
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:42pm
	Wuz thinking of trading in the ole heron , fancyin a carbon thingy sort of boat - light for dragging up beach an tough for over the rocks, with lots of sail so's I can get to me swally quicker , nit fussed about number of ulls, more the better , cant be *rsed racing against similar boats , no excuses for my performing !. ave to be single hander , no one will sail with me , part from Black Jock me three legged collie. I'm a shade orf 5 foot 2" , weighs in at 17 and 3/4 stone (can't do nuw money) , near full head o hair and whiskas to match, one good eye and a pair o ears , waterproof false leg n all me own teeth, have been likened to a gazelle when it comes to buyin a round . Whadoya suggest (polite pleese) Bob

CurlyBen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539	Post Options Post Reply Quote CurlyBen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Aug 05 at 12:06am
	Lots to think about! Mainly what I'm doing next year, after I didn't manage to get into Bristol for uni. I quite fancy a cherub though.. thanks a lot for the help and advice, need some cash now.

redback Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502	Post Options Post Reply Quote redback Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 18 Aug 05 at 12:02am
	Well the cheaper option is the 4000, there are plenty around at £2500 but all these high performance boats go through rope and blocks faster then your ordinary boats and as for sails the 4000 might be the most expensive. The hulls are tough and with a bit of care you can keep the stick in the boat. For real bargain basement high performance then you have to consider classes which are on the way out and I'd put the 5000 and the Boss in that bracket. I'm sure they are tremendous fun and they cost very little until you need new sails or break something. I think all the twin trapeze boats need a regular crew and regular sailing to keep the technique up to scratch - quite honestly so too does the 4000 if you are going to be the slightest bit competitive. You need a partner to spread the cost and develop your technique together, none of these boats can be sailed with a crew who doesn't know what his doing. These are all high performance boats and not easily sailed and they are never going to be cheap. They are quite different from a 420 not just faster versions of the same sort of thing. The other thing to remember if you are sailing inland is that they don't go very well until the breeze is up - but when the breeze is up do they go!

Ollie Dewhurst Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 30 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ollie Dewhurst Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 05 at 10:17pm
	5000's aint nices boats from what i've herd hence they're not made anymore and are apparantly awful to sail, but u would be fine in an 800 coz of the equilisation system (weedier you are, further the racks move out). Would def consider an 800, even if you share wid some1, like a prospective crew. They're also relatively 'forgiving' boats unlike the 29er in comparison. If you want a cheap playaround about £4250 may be swung for some of the older boats, but for a competitive one would have to spend upwards of £6000/£6500. No bias what so ever in this post!!!
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kasey3000 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 06 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 401	Post Options Post Reply Quote kasey3000 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 05 at 8:22pm
	The youth means it's sailed in the youth squad. @ those weights u mentioned...ur perfect for a 4k or a cherub! Not had any experience of the 5k, would imagine it's just like sailing a bigger 4k tho... Kasey.
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CurlyBen Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 17 Aug 05 Location: Southampton Online Status: Offline Posts: 539	Post Options Post Reply Quote CurlyBen Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Aug 05 at 8:06pm
	Thanks a lot for the replies. I'm still trying to figure out if this is feasible - getting down to Chew's gonna be interesting without a car - so those boats were just ones I thought of. The 4000 sounds good at the moment, though what does youth mean with regards to boats? I'm 11 1/2 stone normally (was a month ago - dropped a stone in a month though!), with a similar sized crew would the 29er be underpowered? Without trying to sound too bigheaded I reckon I could probably cope with the 800 with a decent crew, but I've just had a look at prices and they're out of my league at the prices I've seen so far. A guy I met a while ago was suggesting the 5000 - any views on them? I know they're not made anymore, does that mean they've depreciated? Cheers again