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    Posted: 06 Aug 05 at 6:22pm

I'm a Dad and like to sail occasionally with my kids, currently have an RS Feva, a very nice little boat. I seem to  be spending more time by myself, so I'm looking to get a bigger boat along the lines of the Laser Vago. I'm looking for a boat that can be sailed with two, but is also very useable for one, preferably with a trapeze! I know most boats can be sailed alone, but they all present some challenges, especially with the spinnaker up and dowhall, usually being to far forward for the skipper and designed to be up and downhauled by a crew. In light winds this is not a problem, but in a force 3-4, steering with your foot and trying to downhaul the spinnaker, it all gets a bit out of hand. So I'm looking for a boat that has an asymetric spinnaker, easy to up and down haul by a single person, has a trapeze, can be used by two and is big enough for me, I weigh about 95kg, pretty fit and agile. Vago looks good, but I'm sure there are others like a 29er, but is it good for one? any other suggestions and reasons..all welcome...       



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Dunno how u'd singlehand a 29er, might b a bit much but i dunno much about it...
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the 29er is most suited to lightweights and single handed sailing might be quite tricky (there not that stable.) The only thing that springs to mind is maybe a laser vortex its not the prettiest boat but it is quite fast has asymetric kite and trapese, it also doesnt look that crampt and 2people could be a possibility, but im not sure.  
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HannaJ and Southcoast,

thanks for info, the 29er info is good, I keep hearing conflicting info, but the stability of the 29er in single handed mode does seem to be raised often. The Vortex looks like it fits the requirement, but realy want to keep to a monohull. Does anyone have any real first hand experience of sailing any of the modern skiff type boats single handed, in UK South Coastal conditions, if so what boat and the same concern as before, can you raise and lower the gennika without having to lie prostrate across the boat to reach the forward uphaul. I'm looking for an uphaul that can be reached easily from the skippers point of view. I expect to hold the tiller between my knees on uphaul, but this does require the uphaul to be laid out towards the aft of the boat as per a 49er etc. 

 

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The Vortex is a monohull (believe it or not) and all clubs have to accept that becuase the RYA say it is.
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the 29er would be a bit difficult cause it has a battened jib (i think). I would recommend a buzz as single handed they r great fun . Just get a telescopic tiller extension. There is a thread about this in dinghy development i think titled buzz single handed project
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Thx jp buzz 591,

I thought about that as an option, looked more closely today at some of the Buzz boats at my club and discussed single handed sailing, but non of them had tried it, or didn't think it was an option, so will look at the suggested thread for into

 

 

 

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they are really fun. I'm nearly 14 stone and crew but single handed helmng off the wire is really good. Getting the spinnaker up isnt too difficult and not too difficult to write from a capsize.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 6:48am

29er is fine single handed and with 95kg on the wire you will probably be performing better than most boats too.

Use shockcord on the tiller to hold it central for kite raising and lowering.

Use twin tiller extensions not telescopic jobs.

29er has a self tacking jib making it infinitely easier than other two man boats.  Stability is a problem in a boat where you have two people moving in an uncoordinated fashion.  In a 29er on your own it is not an issue.  What you do notice is that the mast is quite heavy and generates some momentum if you start rolling - but as long as you don't try to over correct it is fine.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 05 at 8:02am
Yeah yeah, nice one Blobby... The only difference here : you'll never have "95 kgs on the wire" !   
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