miracle or laser 2000

   That was one option and indeed my first thought but on a tight schedule 

and there seems to be a little issue with building at the moment.

If there is one for sale anywhere?

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gbr236gbr236 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 18 Jun 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote gbr236gbr236 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: miracle or laser 2000 Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 10:32pm
	That was one option and indeed my first thought but on a tight schedule and there seems to be a little issue with building at the moment. If there is one for sale anywhere?

no limits Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 09 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88	Post Options Post Reply Quote no limits Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 8:39pm
	FRP miracle with evolution sails looks the business. I was at a open meeting a few weeks back and two 6ft men were racing and ended up in the top 5 i think. Room isn't a problem with aft sheeting and new deck layout. A 6 week build time isn't bad and it is designed to your speck unlike a laser which as said before requires 'mods' before being completly practial. Why don't you look at what is sailed near you and have a test sail dave

alstorer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899	Post Options Post Reply Quote alstorer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 8:27pm
	For bimbles on the 2000- Spinlock on the kite halyard. Simple mod, and essential. With the stock cleat, I find the halyard recleats VERY easily.

Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 7:41pm
	As usual with Laser boats, there are certain things you need to do to your brand new boat to make it raceworthy. First among these is to put shims under the jib and control line cleats which are, as Nick A suggests, too low. Conversely, you need to raise the mainsheet rachet block as the cleat is too high and can't be adjusted. Then maybe a Dyneema gennaker tack line... Still, it's better than the Laser 2, where I think I ended up with list of 20-odd 'things to do to my new boat'...
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NickA Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickA Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 12:57pm
	If you've long legs and arms and solid hiking shorts then a L2000 might be comfortable. But personally, when hiking over the narrow edge of the gunnals, I find the footstraps and jib cleats far too far down in the boat. Trouble is, it's designed as a "sit in" boat, but you have to "sit out" to sail it properly and there isn't much to sit out on. But as a modern enterprise etc replacement - it's damned good really. And a miracle doesn't have an asymetric, and asymetrics are FUN. Still like the RS200 better.
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Bootscooter Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 15 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1094	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bootscooter Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jul 08 at 8:47am
	Well, the RAF has L2000s as their training boat, for teaching Level 2 upwards, and I think it's a tremendous family boat. We tend to be a little on the "hefty" side, but there's still plenty of room for 2 students and an Instructor. They're forgiving, but also have the ability to give a good thrill in a blow. I did the Inlands a couple of years ago, and the racing at the front of the fleet is at a pretty high standard, with good battles ensueing throughout the fleet. I really do rate them ! Don't know if it's of any help, but we'll be selling 3 good examples shortly.

sargesail Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459	Post Options Post Reply Quote sargesail Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 08 at 10:59pm
	Well I wasn't uncomfortable hiking my2K in F4-6 this weekend! HAving sailed both I would say 2K for the room!

The Moo Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Moo Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 08 at 10:32pm
	I wish my old man bought a Nat 12 when I was a kid. How cool would that of been. Had to make do with a Heron and wait 20 plus years to realise the dream!!

Medway Maniac Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788	Post Options Post Reply Quote Medway Maniac Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 08 at 7:29pm
	Just to redress the balance: Laser 2000's may be reluctant to capsize, but when they do they love to invert, and need a fair bit of weight on the gunwale lip to recover them. Likewise they're heavy to pull up the slipway. The Miracle, by contrast, capsizes even less readily, feels light and lively to sail and to haul out, and is easy to right. If I were taking out a child I'd feel happier in the Miracle. I know a couple of six-footers who sail them happily; Miracles are surprisingly roomy. I crewed on one of them one windy day, and we had 26 stone sitting out hard at the back of the boat on a three-sail reach. It may not have been going all that quickly in absolute terms, but boy did it feel fast and frisky (and completely safe)!
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NickA Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784	Post Options Post Reply Quote NickA Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 08 at 6:36pm
	The Laser 2000 is heavy and it's uncomfortable to hike due to having seats inside and a very high freeboard - and hike you must, as the boom is very high to clear that freeboardm causing the boat to tip alot. But it's popular and reliable, solidly built, has good resale values. The hull may tip a lot but doesn't easily capsize. The kite launches oh so easily out in front of the forestay (though getting it back in takes a little muscle 'cause the hole is quite small) and the kite is too small to be scary. So nicish fairly modern family boat basically. But check out the RS200 too - bit tippier but ultimately more rewarding. You'd grow out of the miracle rather quickly methinks.
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