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Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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iwsmithuk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141 |
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[/QUOTE] But it wouldn't be against the MPS/700 Main about 10-11 metres, assy about 10-12. No racks, stable hull platform, soft sail. Assy fun downwind, nice easy trapeze ride upwind, good single sail trapeze reaches, easy enough to sail for people who can't put in the time to learn the MPS etc. Good potential for kids progressing to MPS/700 and for old gits like me who aren't up to the really high performance skiffs. It'll be interesting to see what the junior MPS from Harprecht(sp??) is going to be like but from what I've seen this is too depowered and aimed very much at the youth market only.
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Contender443 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211 |
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I suggest Nick has a word with Joachim Harpprecht about his light skiff concept boat. As I understand it he is looking for a partner to build this. The Light Skiff has been designed to compliment the MPS and not compete with it. It is also much better looking than the Vortex. I would take it on myself but I don't have a sailing based business behind me that could support the launch of a new class. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Right, Chris, the waterwag is one of the 1st one designs, but the 2nd (american lake based?) is causing trouble...The International 12 is the 1st International class?
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iwsmithuk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141 |
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Quote turnturtle "....camp cynic..." Ah yes... sorry... I see....misread it!
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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What set the rant off orginally?: i) the weird desire to constantly update existing designs (e.g. Merlin-MRX, 505-Alto) ii) the confusion that wanting something new means you want to 'kill-off' everything old iii) the ethos that embracing new technologies, gear and techniques in nationally supported 'youth' structures is a bad thing because support must be maintained for designs that are simply well out of date because they are RYA/IYRU 'adopted' classes - why not use some energy getting the classes changed? iv) the ethos that embracing new technologies, gear and techniques in nationally supported 'Olympic' structures is a bad thing because support must be maintained for designs that are simply well out of date because they are RYA/IYRU 'adopted' classes - why not use some energy getting the classes changed? |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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just got back from my old man's 75th birthday lunch and I'm too peeved to finish this so you'll all have to wait... some interesting things your all talking about thought. Edit: when I write p i ss ed this dam thing machine writes peeved - watch out George Orwell's about! Edited by Jack Sparrow |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I do feel I have to dispel the myth of a potential 'easy' trapeze single hander: no trapeze single hander will ever be 'easy' to sail simply because it does take a fair amount of skill to trapeze and helm both at the same time......as my contender reminds me every time I sail it (did a spectacular flying leap to avoid going straight through the sail this very afternoon basically because I had my foot in the wrong place....)
But a lightweight skiff would be fantastic for yoof, women and lighter men. I've had a fair few calls about contenders I've been selling earlier in the year from guys in their late teens and have had to hope they didn't buy the boat just because it was very apparent they would be too light. |
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the same, but different...
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NickA ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 784 |
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A lightweight skiff would indeed be great for lighter sailors - but only very good lighter sailors. It's an "easier to sail for the not so brilliant" single handed skiff that's wanted.
Meanwhile, fairly easy to sail, asymetric, trapeze single hander with no wings? Sounds like my V3000. Admittedly, the jib is a bit of a handful when tacking and trimming and the fully battened North jib is too powerful for my 78kg in >F4. (Short of adding some racks) add a smaller jib or drop it completely and move the mast forward to compensate and it might do the trick. Quite a few (admittedly biggish) blokes single handing Vago XLs too. Yes I know, they're heavy and plastic and a bit too rolly and the free board is a bit high for comfortable trapezing - but the owners seem happy. The boats are out there, just needs a little development (and class support)! |
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oldarn ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 440 |
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update existing designs (e.g. Merlin-MRX, 505-Alto) The AltO is not an update of an existing design, but a new class about to be launched at the Southampton Boat Show. Yes, a 505 hull was used in the three developement boats, but the new AltO hull bears almost no resemblance to that of the 505, in fact it is 495cm long and the rig is completely different! |
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