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    Posted: 30 Jun 08 at 6:17pm

Might I suggest that the best way to kill off sailing as a mass appeal sport is to concentrate all development on fragile, expensive boats that can only be sailed by lightweight acrobats on sheltered waters accompanied by a fleet of noisy, high powered gas guzzling RIBS. Modern skiff classes have a small part to play as a toy for an elite, and a source of revenue for a small number of salesmen masquerading as bouatbuilders. Their place will in the spectrum will, in time, be as important (?) as fleet board sailing.

Meanwhile the vast majority of sailors will continue to sail on more seamanlike craft... like i14's, Canoes, N12's, Merlins, 505's (all over 50 yaers old so they are hardly "post millentium".

 

Sailing has to face up to 2 major developments :

- the younger generations are getting bigger (leaving obseity problmes aside) whilst the boats on offer are increasingly for lightweight sailors;

- petrol is still cheap (believe it or not). Travelling will be increasingly limited, and clubs will not be able to run a huge flet of RIBS. People will have to sail where they live, and learn to enjoy more seamanlike boats that can sail with less patrol boat cover.

 

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Originally posted by gordon

Sailing has to face up to 2 major developments :

- the younger generations are getting bigger (leaving obseity problmes aside) whilst the boats on offer are increasingly for lightweight sailors;

-Gordon

 

Internationally we anglo saxons and the urban chinese (although this is due to obesity not genetics) are to some extent the fatties actually the majority demographic for the world puts a lot of men (can't be bothered to look it up again) and the majority of women outside the weight range for a radial nevermind a full rig laser.

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Tack'ho,

 

1. I was specifically trying to eliminate the problem of the affluent mal-nourished. However, from one generation to another people are becoming taller and bigger. This will also happen in emerging economies as diets cease to limit skeletal development.

2. Boats have become increasing less dependant on crew weight as rigs develop. There are  fewer sailing oportunities for the larger fit sailor than 30 years ago. It used to be that many rugby players in England would sail in the summer. Now even the average scrum half would have to lose weight to be competitive in a Laser!

3. I presume you include the whole of Europe in your "anglo-saxons", and thus North America and the european colonies... in other words those countries where sailng is a major sport!

4. The development of sailing in emerging economies is a complex problem. One thing is certain - such development will not be through the mass expansion of skiffs. Cheap, locally built boats will be the way to go.

 

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I agree with what you are saying reference the skiffs Gordon, however you say "There are  fewer sailing oportunities for the larger fit sailor than 30 years ago". May I ask you to define Larger?

I actually feel most of boats seem to fit into the modal weight range,  the only way I'd ever get to the ideal laser weight (and this goes for an awful lot of the new singlehanders) is to get fat or spend all my time bulking up through protien shakes and gym work

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I have to say, the kids I see, week in week out, as I introduce them to sailing and then help them to improve their skills, are very happy to have their pulses set racing by toppers, picos and all the other 'dinosaurs' we use.  Most of them are just thrilled to be in boats of any kind and don't pay a whole load of attention to what they might want later on. 

When they are ready to start racing most of them want to stay in the boats they started in, but just get better in the boats they're in (sometimes kids can be strangely sensible.)  From what I see, it's only later on, when they find they don't get the results they expect, that they start jumping into different classes and looking to buy speed rather than work for it.

Strangely, it's the ones who persevere in the dinosaurs who gain success and then find they can get speed and thrills in any class they choose.


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and by the way, I'm the only female I know who might manage a full laser rig, and I only get away with sailing the contender by virtue of being 5'11" and a history of gym workouts and protein shakes.......

There is a problem with keeping girls/women in sailing, only some of it is to do with the types of boat available suitable for women to sail on their own.  Most do not want the grunt of hauling a laser, albeit a radial, upwind.  Many would love to see a trapeze single hander for lightweights or those in the 65 - 75kg range.  Since such a boat would suit very many male sailors too I can't understand why there is still such a gap in the market.
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Tack'ho

Personally, I'm 1m93 and my "fighting weight" would be about 115kg (Middle aged spread and inactivity have added another 10).  This would be quite standard in sports like rugby - an average second row forward or n° 8. Remember, good centres in rugby now weigh 90/95kg and even a small scrum half will be 75+. 30years ago a sailor my size had many opportunities in the larger dinghies and keelboats. This is no longer the case.

If you consider the Olympic classes the Laser is the standard weight boat and the Finn is a heavy weight boat. In many sports the average Finn sailor would not be considered a true heavyweight. Ben Ainslie, for instance is not a large man, whilst Ian Percy, although larger, is no giant.

How many 2 handed classes will accept 2 Finn sailors unless they do some serious dieting?

My point is that the number of 1m90+ males is increasing, with a corresponding "fit weight", whilst the opportunities for such sailors to compete is declining. This si going to create a problem for our sport.

 I look forward to seeing a skiff for heavyweights with an optimum crew weight of around 190/200kg. Should be fun! In the mean-time the Star is the only way to go for serious heavyweight competition.

 

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certainly this is reflected in the kids we see coming for lessons .  Some of them are enormous!  Isn't the cut off age for oppy sailing 16?  I'd be interested to see how many 14+ year olds these days could fit comfortably into an oppy.  
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But the 59er was calculated for close to that weight and judging by the nuber I've seen about hasn't found a huge demand...
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