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    Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:25pm

From Sail Juice

http://sailjuiceblog.com/2008/05/10/when-will-the-sailors-be -heard/

British Laser Radial sailor Laura Baldwin attended the meeting representing the Athletes Commission but wasn’t allowed to stand up and speak on behalf of the competing athletes in the Council Meeting. “It was disappointing not being able to make the case for competeing athletes” said Baldwin. So why wasn’t she allowed to speak? “ISAF is very shaken by the level of personal attacks that individuals have come under over the past few months, and they didn’t want to put me in a similar situation.”

Personal attack or not, Baldwin still would have liked her chance to speak. “I spoke to many Committee Members and really felt I was getting the athletes’ point across. What I think is being missed here is how these decisions have such a massive impact on sailors’ lives. The problem with the multihull being thrown out of the Games is that the skills to multihull sailing are so unique, it’s not going to be that easy for people to step cross into other Events and continue their careers. My fear is we’re going to lose a lot of these sailors from Olympic sailing.”

At the moment the athletes are just pawns in the game. ISAF did the right thing by creating an Athletes’ Commission. However at the moment it is a toothless organisation. To have Baldwin there at the meeting, and not allow her to speak when clearly she wanted to (threats of personal abuse or no), is patronising in the extreme

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cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

 

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Originally posted by oz man

cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

Yeah some people get confused about events & equipment ...

I think most mono sailors are sad to see the cat lose it's spot but it's gone now.

I wonder if they can shoehorn some multi equipment into one of the selected events.

Did we ever work out if a dinghy can have more than one hull?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote oz man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:28pm
like the idea rick prehaps mens single handed dinghy could be an aclass cat widely sailed across the globe, somehow i doubt isaf or the ioc would have the balls though.
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I was more thinging a high-performance double hander could be a cat; F18 type thingy ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote oz man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 08 at 9:40pm
either way its never going to happen
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:24pm

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ISAF ruled out multi hulls in any of their classes, as seen on the isaf website:

http://www.sailing.org/23280.php?PHPSESSID=feec32183e02b3d9a eef6f5239f6aa0d

"Deliberations then returned to the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition (click here to read the report from Saturday on the Council's decision on the Olympic events). The ISAF Regulations require Council to make a list of equipment for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition at this meeting. It is from this list that in November 2008 Council will select the equipment for the 2012 Games. The regulations require that the list shall include all equipment proposed through a valid submission, whether or not there is an event on the programme suitable for the equipment proposed. Having reaffirmed at Saturday's opening meeting that the multihull would not be on the programme for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition, Council wished to ensure this requirement to make a list was not misleading in the context of the multihull event. Therefore, whilst submissions were received proposing multihull equipment for the dinghy events and multihull equipment is included on the following list, Council added the proviso that 'the selection of equipment for dinghy events for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition will not be open to multihulls*'. "

The equipment list is:

 29er XX  International Moth
 470   Laser
 49er  Laser Radial
 Byte CII  Laser SB3 (M)
 Capricorn*  Musto Performance Skiff
 Europe  Nacra F18*
 F18*  RS: X
 Formula One Design  Sonar
 Finn  Star
 Hobie Tiger*  Tornado*
 J/22  Ultimate 20
 J/24  Yngling
 J/80

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Worthy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 08 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by kanga

Therefore, whilst submissions were received proposing multihull equipment for the dinghy events and multihull equipment is included on the following list, Council added the proviso that 'the selection of equipment for dinghy events for the 2012 Olympic Sailing Competition will not be open to multihulls



That sounds very much like a discrimination case, especially following the recent Americas cup antics!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 May 08 at 1:47pm
I know, although i guess ruling out an entire multi hull category would make a mockery of the equipment selection - very good spot of the loophole by isaf but not great for those hopes of many!
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