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    Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:28pm
like the idea rick prehaps mens single handed dinghy could be an aclass cat widely sailed across the globe, somehow i doubt isaf or the ioc would have the balls though.
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Originally posted by oz man

cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

Yeah some people get confused about events & equipment ...

I think most mono sailors are sad to see the cat lose it's spot but it's gone now.

I wonder if they can shoehorn some multi equipment into one of the selected events.

Did we ever work out if a dinghy can have more than one hull?

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cheers tornado alive that was the point i was trying to make. i think alot of mono sailers dont see a difference between a discipline and a class of boat, all along this hasnt been about the tornado its been about catamarans.

 

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From Sail Juice

http://sailjuiceblog.com/2008/05/10/when-will-the-sailors-be -heard/

British Laser Radial sailor Laura Baldwin attended the meeting representing the Athletes Commission but wasn’t allowed to stand up and speak on behalf of the competing athletes in the Council Meeting. “It was disappointing not being able to make the case for competeing athletes” said Baldwin. So why wasn’t she allowed to speak? “ISAF is very shaken by the level of personal attacks that individuals have come under over the past few months, and they didn’t want to put me in a similar situation.”

Personal attack or not, Baldwin still would have liked her chance to speak. “I spoke to many Committee Members and really felt I was getting the athletes’ point across. What I think is being missed here is how these decisions have such a massive impact on sailors’ lives. The problem with the multihull being thrown out of the Games is that the skills to multihull sailing are so unique, it’s not going to be that easy for people to step cross into other Events and continue their careers. My fear is we’re going to lose a lot of these sailors from Olympic sailing.”

At the moment the athletes are just pawns in the game. ISAF did the right thing by creating an Athletes’ Commission. However at the moment it is a toothless organisation. To have Baldwin there at the meeting, and not allow her to speak when clearly she wanted to (threats of personal abuse or no), is patronising in the extreme

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Originally posted by Jon Emmett


The ISAF Sailors do not seem to be listened to, they can not vote and were not even allowed to speak before the secret ballot, to me things seems very wrong.

yep, we (generally) have people who no longer sail, controlloing what classes we might sail at the ollies....

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If you divided Monohull into single and double handed then you have 5 classes, times 2 (have Men and Womens catagory) you have your ten classes.... magic, problem solved!

The ISAF Sailors do not seem to be listened to, they can not vote and were not even allowed to speak before the secret ballot, to me things seems very wrong.
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Originally posted by Tornado_ALIVE

Originally posted by kanga

well which class could have been dropped without a discipline? the only answer to that is men's single hander, since there are two - lightweight and heavyweight.................hmmm.

The problem is an entire discipline was kicked out of the Olypmics. 

single handed / double handed / heavy weight and high performance are all sub-catagories to the monohull discipline.

Cats also have simular sub-catagories.

Disciplines should be......

Monohull

Multihull

Keelboat

Sail Board.

And should not be negotiable.  Sub-catagories could be added later to fill quota or increase Athlete quota between disciplines.


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Originally posted by kanga

well which class could have been dropped without a discipline? the only answer to that is men's single hander, since there are two - lightweight and heavyweight.................hmmm.

The problem is an entire discipline was kicked out of the Olypmics. 

single handed / double handed / heavy weight and high performance are all sub-catagories to the monohull discipline.

Cats also have simular sub-catagories.

Disciplines should be......

Monohull

Multihull

Keelboat

Sail Board.

And should not be negotiable.  Sub-catagories could be added later to fill quota or increase Athlete quota between disciplines.

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LOL It's not the quantity, you know.... It's the quality that counts!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redhotchilicat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 08 at 8:23am

Bo**ocks!

I'm erked again already, since the site wasn't playing the other week my number of posts has gone down to the 60s from the 90s if I was a cyber geek that sort of thing could really upset me! I'm going to blame ISAF!

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go on you know it makes sense
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