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    Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 2:04pm

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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

You need to look harder james . A new 14s rig is very sophisticated with PBO etc, not like the 800s which is made by selden .

The foils are high tech. We have foiling rudders which are exspensive pieces of kit

As well as a better sail plan, Better hulls which are made out of better stuff

At the risk of sounding sensible, better for what? Granted an I14 hull is a sophisticated piece of composite engineering, but there is nothing better at being an RS800 hull than ............... an RS800 hull! Same with the sail plan. Define better. Don't you think all this "mine's better than yours" is getting a bit childish? Especially as mine is better than all of yours

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I have sailed in both a cherub for a season and owned an rs800 and although I havn't sailed a B14 I know a few people who do.

Being quite small (and my helm also being quite small) we found that the 800 was the only skiff which would have been manageable for us. Although we were the right size for the cherub, we preferred the 800s hull shape and performance and the cost!

In the years we had the 800 we only replaced the odd halyard, even when competing in the circuit. So I do think you get alot of boat for your money.

I have to admit I have always wanted a go in a B14 as they look very fun and probably more extreme and hard work than the rs800 but is it me or does that kite look very big??

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Plug for Cherub value hear. A new competitive i14 is going to cost 20+ grand, where as a brand new Cherub will cost less than half that. Where does all that money go in a 14? An extra 2 feet, few meters of sail and a meter of mast. Do the math’s. 


Edit 1:In fact, a new 800 and a new Cherub are in very similar price ranges.

Edit 2: And they don’t depreciate in value as much as 14's .


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Originally posted by tamsin

 have to admit I have always wanted a go in a B14 as they look very fun and probably more extreme and hard work than the rs800 but is it me or does that kite look very big??

 

It is fairly big (though the I14, Skiff, 49er, Boss and 5000 sailors would consider it a bit undersized) but not unmanageable- there's some suprisingly small/light B14 crews. Sheet loads aren't too bad. The only thing that being big is good for is spinnaker drops- long arms help!
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How about this as a measure of what people think about the 800. 31 entries for Garda already, and the event is in  July! This is second to the 200's, that currently have 36 or so entries so far...
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I have owned RS200, 800 & 29er plus sailed I14 & 49er.

The 800 is a good "easy" skiff. I am sure it's even better now it has rear sheeting and would be better still if you were allowed to boom sheet ...

Much cheaper to own than an I14 but no comparison on performance or sophistication.
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Being big I think in any skiff is an advantage as being only 5ft2, means alot of hard work into everthing spinnaker related.

The B14 always looked harder than the rs800s spinnaker possibly the bag system puts me off as I'm not used to it. But I'm still looking forward to a go more than a go in an I14 as I imagine a I14 being very similar to an 800, just more expensive and slightly better kit. (which I don't really notice anyway, as I'm not a fiddler with boat kit... )
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Originally posted by Ross


Plug for Cherub value hear. A new competitive i14 is going to cost 20+ grand, where as a brand new Cherub will cost less than half that. Where does all that money go in a 14? An extra 2 feet, few meters of sail and a meter of mast. Do the math’s. 


Edit 1:In fact, a new 800 and a new Cherub are in very similar price ranges.

Edit 2: And they don’t depreciate in value as much as 14's .


You forgot to add that cherubs are slower especially upwind as has been discussed to death previously. Plus 14's get good turn outs for events compared to cherubs.
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as has been said before in this thread, RS800 does well what it set out to do - sell more boats for RS by providing a one-design, one-manufacturer, packaged access into high performance monohull twin-wire assy racing that previously you had to buy a much more expensive boat to enjoy... i14 and 49er (and B14) are pitched differently, there's no point comparing one with the other boat-for-boat, it's only worth looking at the comparison in terms of "what suits the water where I sail better?" or "what class is already sailed in good numbers at my club",, and even then, there will be those who decide to 'buck the trend' just because they a) want to, i.e. they just like sailing it or, b) think they can be a 'handicap bandit' if they do

... it doesn't matter what materials the hulls or rig are built of, does it suit purpose?, is the equipment the same as/as good as everyone elses?
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