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    Posted: 12 Apr 23 at 1:05pm
As regards FB vs Forum , I agree the style of a forum works better for me every time, you can revisit a forum to pick up a thread whereas FB jumps about all over the place.

I even prefer the framework of this forum over others I've seen; if the few functionality issues could be ironed out it'd be a great space for sharing.
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Dakota

I sort of agree on most of your points . Sailing is not dead, true . Y & Y is dead, true.. Y & Y forum is on life support but is not dead . 
The Pin End is a growing fb page ( as others had been in the past , now all dead ) . But as a member of this page I don’t see much ‘ fun ‘ . In fact it’s rather joyless with most subjects discussed in a very light weight manner. 
Is it probably the best discussion platform we have at the moment in the uk , probably but that doesn’t make it good. I would rather be on the Dinghy advice fb page or even if you don’t mind talking about sailing in a less uk based way, the place that cannot be named , SA.  Smile

Joined The Pin End.
Really?
Found not much interesting, mainly somewhere new for iGRF, bless him, to whinge about PYs and libel the PYAG to a new audience.
At least this forum is google-able and Y&Y do not monetise us as its 'product', whereas of course Facebook, Zuckerberg and his minions are tracking everything we do and say there with a view to feeding us (crappy) ads and monetising any knowledge they can gain. 

I do use FB but increasingly question myself as to why and whether it's worth sorting thru the increasing levels of ads, scams-ads (most), chafe and phishing attempts.

I'm an admin on the RS100 FB group, which mostly involves blocking false accounts applications before they too can post their spam.

So long live the Y&Y forum, FB is no substitute. But please sort out the flippin' formatting issues



Yes really. I joined very early on but that’s no recommendation as I am on hundreds of  fb pages 😀.
But you are right there is not a lot of interesting stuff on it, especially for me as I am blocked by grf on fb so I don’t even get to see this ramblings.
Fb is great at somethings like publicity and chatting about things in the ‘now’. But forums are much better for discussing thing’s in depth or researching stuff. 
So +1 for your last sentence, it’s spot on  Smile
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You may be technically right about forums being a better format but you are beating against the tide to keep this forum alive.  Nobody new has or will join it and existing members will literally die off.  For all facebooks faults it has a critical mass, ease of use and engagement algorithms that is unsurpassed.  If you haven’t found anything interesting on the pin end, start a conversation that interests you!
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Not that I know but I'm told that FB is only now for us dying out oldies. There are several alternative platforms out there, possibly we could think further abroad to find a home.
 
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Forum discourse is pretty sparse now compared to when I started in ~2007ish. Less people, less incisive conversations on interesting subjects. I think that forums are less relvant to younguns these days although to be honest some seem quite healthy in car world as an example.
SailingAnarchy is still useful / vibrant although if you might be offended then it is probably not for you.
Forums are far more valuable as I don't think FB is searchable. Maybe someone can tell me I'm wrong on that. I spent half an evening looking back through a hundred page thread on SA the other night for technically interesting stuff that would be impossible to find anywhere else.
I sacked off FB maybe 2016 as I recognised the pernicious fake news stuff and also in an unsuccessful attempt to encourage my other half to do the same. No regrets re FB whatsoever would recommend that course of action to anybody but lucklily / regrattably can see some public pages which usually have replaced websites for stuff like small class associations, where the challenge of finding someone to edit a website has become too much for many.
Ultimately it comes down to the lowest common denominator / path of least resistance and where most people are hanging out which is or maybe was FB. But like someone said, I dare say things are moving on to other platforms, mostly surrounding being advertised to and showing off rather than scintillating intellectual badinage. Cue me moaning about dumbing down, Blairs Britain etc.
That said Mozzy does a great job on his youtube channel and the comments are often interesting / illuminating, he seems very dilligent in responding to them but again thats not the ideal searchable format and pertains to AC or formerly RS800 only. 
I think that Office 365 has that yammer thing that nobody ever uses in any company I've worked in. I think is supposed to have similar functionality to internet forums but pertaining to work topics. Oddly enough M**rosoft isn't offering a 365 app to companies to best allow employees to parade touched up photos of one's pursed love island lips and other edited records of one's suspiciously enviable "lifestyle."
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Originally posted by Salcombepirate

You may be technically right about forums being a better format but you are beating against the tide to keep this forum alive.  Nobody new has or will join it and existing members will literally die off.  For all facebooks faults it has a critical mass, ease of use and engagement algorithms that is unsurpassed.  If you haven’t found anything interesting on the pin end, start a conversation that interests you!

Your probably right, and I totally agree for clubs and classes fb works really well . But I have yet to find a general interest fb page in any of the sports I have a interest in that works as well .

Tbh I suspect we will having the same conversation about fb in a decades time. As most young people have already moved to other social media platforms and the demographic of fb is already very middle aged . 
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Originally posted by Daniel Holman

SailingAnarchy is still useful / vibrant although if you might be offended then it is probably not for you.

Signal to noise ratio seems to be diminishing though. One thing to be said for SA, when he-I-shall-not-name tried his nonsense there, he got called out so quickly and so robustly he cried off with tail between legs...
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I remember that well.

SA is ok these day IF you stay away from any threads about politics ( trump etc ) , covid and funny enough AC racing . 
But I would still rather post and read stuff on here , too much Sunfish, Rocket and Sol chat 😂. On the other hand I would never of learned about the US Force 5 and the Australian sabre if I had not lurked there.  Smile
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Anything which hangs on in there whilst Facebook's user base crumbles under the weight of its own self inflicted anxiety and social angst is good by me.... Nick Clegg's 3rd Act hasn't lived up to the first two.

My kids only have meta accounts by zucker-stealth: WhatsApp and Instagram.  They're not in to metaverse / oculus quest stuff.... I guess that's their generation's Games Workshop equivalent for incels, uglies and the future victims of creepy dudes.  

Even insta is decidedly middle-age (and very middle-class mum-sy), can't see my youngest sticking with that for much longer, she thinks it's decidedly naff compared to TikTok.  However WhatsApp still has a stranglehold on cross platform messaging... so a shout out for Signal, download it.. it'll only achieve critical mass when enough of us have it


This is still a good place to discuss sailing - esp if interest in maintained despite being a bit of break from boat ownership... but the formatting on here could use an upgrade admittedly.

As for Clubs and Classes - despite the failure of Google+, I think Google accounts and contributors still have role to play in collating lists and search content worth a damn.
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'Google groups' works ok for small groups and is fully searchable, Minisail class have had one for years.
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