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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Jim C...
I had something of a surprise here! A number of year back (ie, pre-covid) a nationals was coming up that I had a historic interest in; not one of my core classes, but one that I felt ought to be worth the while. Interest from the class...zero! It wasn't of case of harsh words being exchanged, but I did tell them bluntly that the Classic Event at Hunts would get more column inches and pictures than their headline gathering for the season and...almost embarrassed to say it, but that is how things played out. It was only afterwards that I looked at their AGM minutes and saw that the 'Class' was sat on a very healthy pot of money in the bank. When you think what they could be doing in terms of presence, both afloat and online it is hard to feel anything but sadness as a once strong and influential class drifts off into the reed beds (the waterside equivalent of the long grass). What was even sadder was that because of my residual interest I'd have just turned up but was put off by an attitude of no, we don't need help, we're doing just fine..... and in this head buried deep in the sand mindset they are not alone. So - there is still money to out there, not a lot but spent wisely, it can make a big difference, witness the Scorpions who have invested in class promotion and are now seeing the benefits. I also picked up on your point about previous class specific advertising - my guess is that for most, the big expenses went on an ad in the Racing Classes Review and if possible, a stand at the show. That was though back in the days of the paper magazine, today the expectations are very different. It would be great to have full on multi-media coverage at events and some classes do it very well... the 5o5s courtesy of their tie in with SAP, the foiling moths... the GP14s have always been very clever at playing the publicity card, the Solos do well, the H2s (thanks to Keith Callaghan doing the leg work) but the real stars are the Finns and the OKs who use the excellent services of Robert Deaves. But, in the end, there has to be an acceptance that these things cost and you get what you pay for. Finally, I know of at least two involved parties who had looked at providing some form of media outlet for the dinghy scene, only to find that it wouldn't work simply because the financial model didn't stack up. Now that's not to say that someone might come up with a clever idea in the future, but as the sport and pastime elements of small boat sailing become more entrenched as separate entities, the view from inside the box looking out suggests that the sort of inclusive, glitzy, all media presentation that some on here see as the way forward is actually still out over the horizon. D
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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I haven't actually looked to check, but certainly when I ran a development class we never had much money for advertising and neither did our decidedly niche builders. I would have expected the multi manufacturer one designs to be much bigger spenders than the actual development classes, especially as there were so few of us anyway.
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Back in the day the development classes seem to have advertised more than the SMODs, because of the number of rival builders and sailmakers they had. I love SMODs but it's an interesting "revenge effect" that may have harmed the sailing media. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Before the RYA, there was the Yacht Racing Association and the Boat Racing Association, which was formed in 1912 and extended up to small boats. The BRA created the (ex-) International 12, which became the first International dinghy class, did a couple of Olympics, and is still a big class in Holland and Italy.
The BRA was absorbed into the RYA in the 1920s.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Yes, no doubt they had other reasons to change the holding company name also. I think my point stands.
As I said earlier it's a small but important point and not the only reason for decline. I suspect those at the top of the RYA enjoy the elitist image that sailing projects. They enjoy the tradition and history. It's part of the DNA. If it contributes to the "small pond" nature of the sport then so be it. People and organisations will only change if they want to and that is the way it should be. |
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3400 |
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They have changed the name of the holding company a couple of times in the last 25 years but the postal service still trades as 'Royal Mail'.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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Nice examples Do Different.
Neither the RNLI or RSPB are looking to attract customers/participants in quite the same way as a sport. Their objectives are very different. And yes, it's very difficult to rebrand without losing momentum completely but it can be done. Changing a name for whatever reason? be interesting to see how the boat formerly known as the Laser does in the long term.
afterthought: Royal warrants. Does anyone know which companies still have them? Do they make a big deal of it as they used to or do they relegate that piece of info to the small print on the back page. Commercial pressures dictate. They are better at knowing what the customer prefers, what image is most presentable and what makes most money. Even Royal Mail are changing their name. Blame it on Andy ![]() Edited by Sussex Lad - 11 Apr 23 at 8:51am |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Doubtless you got that I'm slightly obtuse and often tongue in cheek. Yes it's historic and looking at other examples the Royal patronage doesn't hurt likely the most wealthy charities in the UK RNLI & RSPB. Yes, maybe Yachting does sound elitist but then having seen other major organisations attempt at rebranding to encompass all I'm often left with the feeling the the identity has been completely lost.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6660 |
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Mainly because the RYA doesn't want to keep changing names like IYRU/ISAF/World sailing... There wasn't really competitive racing in dinghies in Victorian times, so bigger boat sailing (yachts) was run by the Yacht Racing Association, while the only small boat racing was in sailing Canoes, and organised by the Royal Canoe club. But also its picking a suitable word. The RYA is just as involved with cruising and motor craft as it is with sailing, and while motorised craft are described as sailing when they leave port it still feels as if using sailing would exclude to much, and boating just doesn't seem to sound serious enough to me! |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3419 |
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Republican democratic secular humanist vegan pastime association. All welcome, honest, just turn up, we will find you something
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