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    Posted: 11 Apr 23 at 10:35am
Yes, no doubt they had other reasons to change the holding company name also. I think my point stands.

As I said earlier it's a small but important point and not the only reason for decline.

I suspect those at the top of the RYA enjoy the elitist image that sailing projects. They enjoy the tradition and history. It's part of the DNA. If it contributes to the "small pond" nature of the sport then so be it.

People and organisations will only change if they want to and that is the way it should be.




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Before the RYA, there was the Yacht Racing Association and the Boat Racing Association, which was formed in 1912 and extended up to small boats. The BRA created the (ex-) International 12, which became the first International dinghy class, did a couple of Olympics, and is still a big class in Holland and Italy.

The BRA was absorbed into the RYA in the 1920s.
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Originally posted by tink

A lovely Idea Mark but the issue is where the money would come from, Advertising for the dinghy sector must be slim pickings, Rooster, Insurance but after the that the ‘Home Page’ is Yacht focused. Probably why Dinghy Magazine folded ‘back in the day’. 

We are also a small be very diverse group with little synergy between: club Laser Sailor, Merlin Rocket sailor who does open meetings mainly and say an RS600. These people will go tho their tribe for information and report with little that actually unites us. 

Back in the day the development classes seem to have advertised more than the SMODs, because of the number of rival builders and sailmakers they had. I love SMODs but it's an interesting "revenge effect" that may have harmed the sailing media.

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I haven't actually looked to check, but certainly when I ran a development class we never had much money for advertising and neither did our decidedly niche builders. I would have expected the multi manufacturer one designs to be much bigger spenders than the actual development classes, especially as there were so few of us anyway.
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I had something of a surprise here! A number of year back (ie, pre-covid) a nationals was coming up that I had a historic interest in; not one of my core classes, but one that I felt ought to be worth the while. Interest from the class...zero! It wasn't of case of harsh words being exchanged, but I did tell them bluntly that the Classic Event at Hunts would get more column inches and pictures than their headline gathering for the season and...almost embarrassed to say it, but that is how things played out. It was only afterwards that I looked at their AGM minutes and saw that the 'Class' was sat on a very healthy pot of money in the bank. When you think what they could be doing in terms of presence, both afloat and online it is hard to feel anything but sadness as a once strong and influential class drifts off into the reed beds (the waterside equivalent of the long grass). What was even sadder was that because of my residual interest I'd have just turned up but was put off by an attitude of no, we don't need help, we're doing just fine..... and in this head buried deep in the sand mindset they are not alone.
So - there is still money to out there, not a lot but spent wisely, it can make a big difference, witness the Scorpions who have  invested in class promotion and are now seeing the benefits.

I also picked up on your point about previous class specific advertising - my guess is that for most, the big expenses went on an ad in the Racing Classes Review and if possible, a stand at the show. That was though back in the days of the paper magazine, today the expectations are very different. It would be great to have full on multi-media coverage at events and some classes do it very well... the 5o5s courtesy of their tie in with SAP, the foiling moths... the GP14s have always been very clever at playing the publicity card, the Solos do well, the H2s (thanks to Keith Callaghan doing the leg work) but the real stars are the Finns and the OKs who use the excellent services of Robert Deaves. But, in the end, there has to be an acceptance that these things cost and you get what you pay for.

Finally, I know of at least two involved parties who had looked at  providing some form of media outlet for the dinghy scene, only to find that it wouldn't work simply because the financial model didn't stack up. Now that's not to say that someone might come up with a clever idea in the future, but as the sport and pastime elements of small boat sailing become more entrenched as separate entities, the view from inside the box looking out suggests that the sort of inclusive, glitzy, all media presentation that some on here see as the way forward is actually still out over the horizon.
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Sadly I have to agree with your and finally.    I have read, witnessed class tribalism and received some ridiculous snide comments from people who I had expected better of. 
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Let’s be clear here: sailing is not dead, but the Y&Y magazine is and this, unrelated, Y&Y forum is.

The Pin End, a new Facebook forum for UK dinghy racing has already grown to a thousand members including some big names and some familiar names.  Come and join the fun over there.  
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I sort of agree on most of your points . Sailing is not dead, true . Y & Y is dead, true.. Y & Y forum is on life support but is not dead . 
The Pin End is a growing fb page ( as others had been in the past , now all dead ) . But as a member of this page I don’t see much ‘ fun ‘ . In fact it’s rather joyless with most subjects discussed in a very light weight manner. 
Is it probably the best discussion platform we have at the moment in the uk , probably but that doesn’t make it good. I would rather be on the Dinghy advice fb page or even if you don’t mind talking about sailing in a less uk based way, the place that cannot be named , SA.  Smile
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Originally posted by Salcombepirate

Let’s be clear here: sailing is not dead, but the Y&Y magazine is and this, unrelated, Y&Y forum is.

The Pin End, a new Facebook forum for UK dinghy racing has already grown to a thousand members including some big names and some familiar names.  Come and join the fun over there.  

I’m not sure what the Pin End is or want’s to become. Initial flurry of start line pictures stopped now there’s the occasional post inviting people to open events which people are likely getting from their class. Latest post belongs on Dinghy Advice which can be toxic and due to title has people asking questions about outboards and rubber ducks.

I wish the Pin End all the success but they need to explain what it is all about content they expect and post some stuff their self to generate momentum.
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Originally posted by Dakota

I sort of agree on most of your points . Sailing is not dead, true . Y & Y is dead, true.. Y & Y forum is on life support but is not dead . 
The Pin End is a growing fb page ( as others had been in the past , now all dead ) . But as a member of this page I don’t see much ‘ fun ‘ . In fact it’s rather joyless with most subjects discussed in a very light weight manner. 
Is it probably the best discussion platform we have at the moment in the uk , probably but that doesn’t make it good. I would rather be on the Dinghy advice fb page or even if you don’t mind talking about sailing in a less uk based way, the place that cannot be named , SA.  Smile

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Found not much interesting, mainly somewhere new for iGRF, bless him, to whinge about PYs and libel the PYAG to a new audience.
At least this forum is google-able and Y&Y do not monetise us as its 'product', whereas of course Facebook, Zuckerberg and his minions are tracking everything we do and say there with a view to feeding us (crappy) ads and monetising any knowledge they can gain. 

I do use FB but increasingly question myself as to why and whether it's worth sorting thru the increasing levels of ads, scams-ads (most), chafe and phishing attempts.

I'm an admin on the RS100 FB group, which mostly involves blocking false accounts applications before they too can post their spam.

So long live the Y&Y forum, FB is no substitute. But please sort out the flippin' formatting issues


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