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    Posted: 02 Apr 23 at 5:40pm
I think the lack of moderation of some obvious trolling when the forum was thriving ultimately lead to its demise. 

People only get bored and move on once, they don’t keep coming back to see if the contributors have changed. 

Arguing the toss with a stranger who isn’t open to logical presentation of facts and who is a self appointed genius soon becomes tiresome. 

It’s a shame as this used to be a great forum. 

Despite the rise of social media there are still plenty of thriving forums. But not for dinghy sailing. 
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I used to write for Dinghy Magazine, at least when they decided to call it Dinghy and Boardsailing, I got asked to write for it because the Editor a guy called Eric Twiname who I came to really like, pretty much knew I'd be controversial. I've always been that way, and anyone with a lick of publishing sense, knows that controversial sells mags/copies and these days generates 'clicks'. I did try and reason with whoever 'Mags' whatever he's called, the other guys also subject to the censorship all know him and the main protagonists for what shall we call it, 'Woke' seems as appropriate as anything, but to no avail so I don't post anything cntroversial, in fact don't much post at all, but I haven't 'flounced' per se, I'm still about but not as often, so you can't really blame me for the demise of this place. You can clearly see who to blame, they come on with nothing but negativity and if you don't actually feed them with something controversial at which to direct that energy then you get what you've got, dwindling interest. Now with dwindling interest that means fewer clicks, fewer clicks means less response to ads and the appearance of fewer readers. Nobody to buy books on 50 years of the Hornet or whatever dougaldog is up to next, or Clives tactical book. Now I know for sure it's not because folk aren't out there, the fact that, that Pin End fb group is closing on 1000 members in what two months since february when we all chipped in to set it up, proves they're still out there, but the sad fact is Y&Y doesn't any longer hold the appeal for the grass roots of racing dinghies that it once did. This forum was the best thing it had going for that sector, lots of positive things happened because of this forum. Had this forum not existed there would never have been the D Zero, and probably not the Aero either but for different reasons, so because a few who spend more time trying to confect offence at none sense, we all run the risk of losing what has been a force of good. Yes good, because if nobody complains however outrageously, you get no change and God knows the dinghy world is moribund enough. So, y'all should post more, it's all well and good getting shot of folk like me, but you have to step up and coming on here saying that what I might have said elsewhere (Which is fact) is bullsh*t without finding out first, aint going to cut it I fear. Better to ask why there are God knows how many laser builders and why they are being allowed to fiddle their moulds and why the Topper is now being made with polyethylene Bullsh*t get a discussion going then you might see some sort of return to discussion..
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Originally posted by 2547

I think the lack of moderation of some obvious trolling when the forum was thriving ultimately lead to its demise. 

People only get bored and move on once, they don’t keep coming back to see if the contributors have changed. 

Arguing the toss with a stranger who isn’t open to logical presentation of facts and who is a self appointed genius soon becomes tiresome. 

It’s a shame as this used to be a great forum. 

Despite the rise of social media there are still plenty of thriving forums. But not for dinghy sailing. 

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The decline has been in progress for at least 18yrs that I know of, I initially joined in 2005-6. Yep, some members should have been moderated more severely.

On forums like this one the only form of intolerance that's constructive is an intolerance of intolerance. Generally speaking and in my experience those who have a hair up their a*se about freedom of speech do not understand the concept, their subsequent responsibilities or the inevitable consequences.......

............but I think the demise was gonna happen regardless, The world has changed.


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Forum will be down and out when new members don't get the help or advice they seek, forum not all about chatting
Looks like iGRF is banned now anyway, tried to post for a couple of days, nothing appears.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dakota Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Apr 23 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Forum will be down and out when new members don't get the help or advice they seek, forum not all about chatting
Looks like iGRF is banned now anyway, tried to post for a couple of days, nothing appears.

Very true .

Re iGRF . You already know my views  Smile
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Yes he blames you for it
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Oh dear.  Unhappy
He never was one to take responsibility for his own actions. 



Edited by Dakota - 06 Apr 23 at 5:12pm
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Originally posted by Dougaldog

Davidyacht...
Your comment "I don't get why the animosity toward Y&Y and the forum" is spot on! Whatever the situation over with the paper magazine (now all but swallowed up by Sailing Today) the Y&Y site works well to reflect not only the wider international scene which people follow from the site in their tens of thousands (the traffic stats for the AC, Vendee and other headline events make this very clear)  but it is also the best coverage of the domestic scene. There's two points here - those classes that send in either naff reports or no report at all can hardly point the finger at the website and say that we're not reflecting what is happening around our clubs. Secondly, the old ways of doing reports, with "Smith takes Jones up the beat and loses it to Blogs along the reach" just doesn't cut it any longer - even in the virtual world you can see the eyes glazing over.
So actually Davidyacht, I don't get it either! There's very little of the celebrity endorsement being presented,  but those adverts that do feature pay the way not only for the site, but for the better quality content. The Times and Telegraph have both changed to paid access for most of their content, as dear old Rupert Murdoch said, if you want independent journalists then somehow they have to be paid for!

This is very dear to my own thinking. Be it with the history of dinghy development articles or the 'Wise Men' series the website provides a platform for a degree of 'depth of detail' in the articles that you wouldn't get elsewhere, as seen recently when what might otherwise have been a passing single paragraph obituary on Alec Stone become a fully-fledged piece with multiple pictures. If you don't want read in depth about Hornets, cat history (a multi-parter there) more on the radical minds behind dinghy development and the wider challenges that our sport has faced in the past - and how that relates to the future, then fine, no one is forcing you to. But the feedback says that there are far more people out there that DO want not just the hot topics of the day, but the thought provoking, detailed pieces so I guess their numbers will carry the day!
Dougaldog.

Firstly, I've just looked at that in three different browsers and the presentation of it, in terms of spaces and paragraphs and all that, is frankly sub standard.
I think that's a big problem with this forum, everything comes out messed up, so posts are best kept very short. MAybe that's why they become more curt, going on antagonistic?
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Secondly, you come across as congratulating  yourselves, everything is brilliant, not our fault if the public don't engage. But if Y&Y wants to be the go-to place online for dinghy news, Y&Y has to persuade classes to engage. Somebody at Y&Y needs to earn their salary by making that happen. If Y&Y is happy being the google result for the AC and other pro events that get on telly, that's a conscious choise of market, or should be.


The mag and organisation has never really been all that great, face facts, we used to buy it for the 'for sale' pages. The website has lost that territory to ApolloDuck.
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