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    Posted: 29 Jun 22 at 9:04am
At least from a class point of view, open event venues and their costs can be reviewed and discussed through class groups. Changes to future calendars then made if the class wants to remain active and keep attendance. (all good in theory) but something healthy classes seem to manage.

As for mixed opens, just a case of long standing events and what each club wants (or has) to charge to make it work. Whether that’s £50 or £120 or whatever, if the experience is good and relative then it was worth it. But if parties outside of the host club are adding a cost for little to no benefit, then it shouldn’t be a surprise that those events are struggling. Most will accept a higher entry cost from a hard working member driven club, not so much when near 30 - 40% of the entry fee leaves with a 3rd party when the doors shut.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

I'm put off buying another RS boat by the association, Portland and very sparse calendars for the singlehander classes other than the Aero.

The 100 class decided that one event a month is about right, April to October. We are a bit light on that this year, but I think that's a post-covid artefact
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Originally posted by Paramedic

 
The post about WPNSA is interesting, it seems people absolutely love it or simply cant stand it. One overwhelming thing in its favour is race management standard and equipment, for which you pay a premium. There just doesnt seem a happy medium between the facility which some dont like and the members club with often the odd race management quirk.

As it happens, biggest race management farrago we ever had at a nationals was at WPNSA
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by RS400atC

I'm put off buying another RS boat by the association, Portland and very sparse calendars for the singlehander classes other than the Aero.

The 100 class decided that one event a month is about right, April to October. We are a bit light on that this year, but I think that's a post-covid artefact

7 events, of which some will be places I really don't want to go, some will be OK places but a long way away. Some will inevitably clash with something. How many events are guaranteed to be W/L courses? How many of those events are compromised for your fleet because it's a multi-fleet event and the organisers have limitations?  It's not a stunning 'business case' for spending five grand on a boat.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

Originally posted by Grumpycat

Or maybe just less people sailing fireballs ? 
Has their class membership fallen at the same rate as attendance at the nationals ? Certainly the Fireball class at Draycote is a shadow of what it was in the 1990s.

The guys that were sailing Fireballs in the 90's are now 25+ years older and the younger generation are - with one or two exceptions - sailing something else. The Enterprise has gone through the same thing, though its maybe coming back a bit at championship level it's still best described as hanging on at open meeting level, certainly in the midlands.

The post about WPNSA is interesting, it seems people absolutely love it or simply cant stand it. One overwhelming thing in its favour is race management standard and equipment, for which you pay a premium. There just doesnt seem a happy medium between the facility which some dont like and the members club with often the odd race management quirk.

Well at least you get a chance to have a beer (albeit in a plastic mug) with your old mucker Bill B.

Whilst WPNSA has excellent Race Management, they rarely seem prepared to race in Weymouth Bay, but I guess that this is often a class committee decision.  

The plastic glasses can be ameliorated by a visit to the Cove.  And the Heights offers an excellent breakfast, phone them for their best deal.
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Previous post misquoted … directed to Fab100 though interesting thoughts on race management at WPNSA which I have always found to be pretty good
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Previous post misquoted … directed to Fab100 though interesting thoughts on race management at WPNSA which I have always found to be pretty good

The trouble with WPNSA in many ways is its about as far away from Weymouth Bay as you can get within the harbour and makes for a pretty long day on the water. One thing we've learned over the last few years is that 4 hours is about where most people want to be. An hour out and back again seriously impinges on this.

Ive not sailed there yet, I would like to try it and have only heard good things about the race management. The odd exception is to be expected!
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it's great for turn-up high octane windsurfing as where else do you get that kind of flattish expanse? 

Can't say it would be an appealing place to spend anything longer than an overnight to justify the drive.  It's probably even less appealing than Calshot, and that takes some beating in the dumps stakes.

If driving that far into the SW, then frankly there are SO many nicer options if a class can secure the venue.
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Some people go to opens, just to sail at different places.. I'm not talking about big class events, but club regattas..
For instance we've several people over the years come for a holiday on the broads and take in Horning regatta.

For an outside dinghy entrant, that's four 1 hour races a day for 5 days, Monday to Friday. Though you might qualify for the odd extra trophy race ( there are up to 4 extra trophy races each day) such as the Serviceman's and ex Serviceman's trophy (women included).
There are also classes for keelboats, and yachts.. 

Last years entry fee... £1 per race. Also every night there is a function, no fees as such , but if food is on there is  charge for that.. I'll be there for that and the prior club members only weekend and I doubt I'll break £100 though of course I have my own accomodation..
This years regatta 1st to the 5th of August..

Here's last years regatta video https://youtu.be/GGCZ_AeyB3M
(PS the dinosaur is this years Commodore)



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I certainly think the venue has to be good to justify the travelling now. Needs to have accommodation that is cheap, which generally means camping or somewhere to park the expensive van (I'm in the tent, haven't got a van). Parking onsite would be good though appreciate a lot of seaside venues don't have that, but the way local councils are bangin up the prices recently anything more than a one day event starts to rack up the costs even further. Even one day events are costing over £100 now and when theres a family to feed, house & clothe means away sailing is taking a big back seat.
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