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    Posted: 04 Jun 22 at 8:25am
Only ever seen spare bedroom, back gardens and drives offered at CVRDA events, they are all over the country.
Pwllheli for instance from West Midlands, you are talking fifty pounds in fuel, more if you need to drive about. Camping going to be at least fifteen pounds per night. Food probably thirty pounds per the weekend, assuming organisers pick up lunch, then you may want to go for a meal somewhere, Wetherspoons have a pub in Pwllheli now, add another thirty pounds a night, good thing about Wetherspoons you know what you are going to get and no need to dress up.
Not forgetting beer or wine at the tent.
Then fees for the actual event.
Aberaeron yacht club in the early eighties used to cost a fortune, mainly on drinking, mainly remember it for monster hangovers and informal drink fueled races when normal racing had been abandoned,due to the weather.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 22 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by 423zero

For a long bank holiday weekend open, you are talking at least three hundred, even camping, but cheap if you enjoy it, even typing this is taking me back to one.


That's only true if you live miles from the event.
Many people have clubs with open events or potential for open events within driving distance.
Other people have accommodation options such as friends or relatives.
Back in the good old days, I recall members of the host clubs offering space for an airbed, free camping at several clubs, camping in member's gardens.
You can see how peole get value from their camper vans though.
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For a long bank holiday weekend open, you are talking at least three hundred, even camping, but cheap if you enjoy it, even typing this is taking me back to one.
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Originally posted by NickA

Originally posted by Do Different

an investment in the future of the Club.


Too right! Convincing the management though...


It might be an investment, but not all investments offer a quantifiable return; esp in the age of Google (and the Y&Y club list map)
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Very true it’s a great idea , if people come to the opens. BUT if the higher cost puts people coming and you don’t run the open then no one win . No member benefit and no extra money coming into the club.
It’s a fine line to tread . 

100% agree there's no need to bend competitors over the table. £15 per day seems the going rate, but I'd fully expect that to increase given the increase in running costs. In the grand scheme of things the entry fee to an open is normally not a large cost, though this does depend on distance travelled.


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Originally posted by Do Different

an investment in the future of the Club.


Too right! Convincing the management though...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jun 22 at 4:20pm
Quite so JimC. When on the committee I always argued this as a prime reason for running opens or hosting any sort of class visitor request. Giving visitors a warm welcome has to be viewed as an investment in the future of the Club.
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To my mind not the least of the reasons for doing opens for your numerically stronger classes is advertising. Hopefully you've got an events worth of people all thinking that your club is one to seriously consider if moving to your area - or to recommend to friends.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jun 22 at 11:41am
A night away at a two day open meeting in the 70’s and 80’s probably presented more optimistic possibilities than in the Tinder driven 2020’s  Wink … best if you sailed a two person class 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jun 22 at 11:19am
Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by NickA

I think our overheads are too big.

They reckon £125 a day for use of ribs, then each volunteer ( RO, 2X aro, mark layers, safety boat) gets £40 knocked off their club fees.

The ribs are expensive as the club bought several nice new ones with huge engines. If we don't use the "duty levy" system of club fee reduction it's reckoned no one will do any duties.

Our club fees are expensive due to the club's 2/3 employees and a hefty rent to the lake owners (Severn Trent = grabbing barstewards with share holders to please) so a refund is nice to have.

NB: open fees now £40 for a double hander for two days. But I just paid £50 for the Bala long distance ( includes a cut to the 3rd party event organisers I suppose).


Ah so it’s about the charging regime! Not the actual operating costs/break even point.

Clubs are maybe taking too commercial a view?

It might be worth considering what kind of value for money the boat which turns up and come 25th might be getting? 

      That might be limiting numbers.  

  
Back in the dark ages, clubs put some value on the kudos of running a respectable open meeting and giving their sailors some better sailors to compete against. It was also more reciprocal, we go to their place in June, they come to us in July kind of thing.  
  
 Of course if you have a club GP14 fleet, then you are more likely to think of your club being part of a wider GP14 ecosystem than if you're just a PY club on the lookout for some cash cows.
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