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    Posted: 02 Jun 22 at 10:35am
Originally posted by Paramedic

I don't think that the model of using an open meeting to help keep club fees down is a terrible idea. Members organise and run the events, why shouldn't they see a benefit?

Very true it’s a great idea , if people come to the opens. BUT if the higher cost puts people coming and you don’t run the open then no one win . No member benefit and no extra money coming into the club.
It’s a fine line to tread . 
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Originally posted by A2Z

Actually I thought the Aero numbers were a bit disappointingly low.  Four fleets and 101 boats… biggest fleet 44 boats. And not many women. I’m sure that will end up being one of the bigger gatherings of the year, and I’ve nothing against the boat but I’d have thought 250+ would be the aim for this group.  

Imagine if the Streaker, Supernova, Solo and phantom held a joint Nationals.

I think the supernova have had about 100 boats at their nationals for the last few years on their own . They are definitely saying they have the same number signed up for this year .  Smile

I did have a Supernova about 18 months. But it just didn’t float my boat so to speak. LOL
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by NickA

I think our overheads are too big.

They reckon £125 a day for use of ribs, then each volunteer ( RO, 2X aro, mark layers, safety boat) gets £40 knocked off their club fees.

The ribs are expensive as the club bought several nice new ones with huge engines. If we don't use the "duty levy" system of club fee reduction it's reckoned no one will do any duties.

Our club fees are expensive due to the club's 2/3 employees and a hefty rent to the lake owners (Severn Trent = grabbing barstewards with share holders to please) so a refund is nice to have.

NB: open fees now £40 for a double hander for two days. But I just paid £50 for the Bala long distance ( includes a cut to the 3rd party event organisers I suppose).


Ah so it’s about the charging regime! Not the actual operating costs/break even point.

Clubs are maybe taking too commercial a view?

It might be worth considering what kind of value for money the boat which turns up and come 25th might be getting? 

      That might be limiting numbers.  

  
Back in the dark ages, clubs put some value on the kudos of running a respectable open meeting and giving their sailors some better sailors to compete against. It was also more reciprocal, we go to their place in June, they come to us in July kind of thing.  
  
 Of course if you have a club GP14 fleet, then you are more likely to think of your club being part of a wider GP14 ecosystem than if you're just a PY club on the lookout for some cash cows.
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A night away at a two day open meeting in the 70’s and 80’s probably presented more optimistic possibilities than in the Tinder driven 2020’s  Wink … best if you sailed a two person class 
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To my mind not the least of the reasons for doing opens for your numerically stronger classes is advertising. Hopefully you've got an events worth of people all thinking that your club is one to seriously consider if moving to your area - or to recommend to friends.
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Quite so JimC. When on the committee I always argued this as a prime reason for running opens or hosting any sort of class visitor request. Giving visitors a warm welcome has to be viewed as an investment in the future of the Club.
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Originally posted by Do Different

an investment in the future of the Club.


Too right! Convincing the management though...
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Very true it’s a great idea , if people come to the opens. BUT if the higher cost puts people coming and you don’t run the open then no one win . No member benefit and no extra money coming into the club.
It’s a fine line to tread . 

100% agree there's no need to bend competitors over the table. £15 per day seems the going rate, but I'd fully expect that to increase given the increase in running costs. In the grand scheme of things the entry fee to an open is normally not a large cost, though this does depend on distance travelled.


Edited by Paramedic - 03 Jun 22 at 5:58pm
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