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    Posted: 26 May 22 at 10:13am
The reason I've stayed with my club is the choice of courses.
Round the buoys on the river outside the club, round the buoys up on Black Horse Broad, or a down river to a pub and back..
If we have an open, those classes not involved, do one of the others, for instance we had a down river open on Sunday, the dinghies stayed at the club and went round the cans..
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

My club just runs one open a year for the British moths and it’s been a very pleasurable experience.
It’s run on a Saturday so it doesn’t stop club racing , we always get plenty of volunteers to be RO/ do rescue/ galley etc. The club thinks of it as a club event to be enjoyed by all.
Re class membership it’s not a problem as it’s not a BM class requirement to be a member to do your home open . You only need to be a member to do others clubs opens and the nationals . 


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I do wonder if part of the problem is the somewhat aging demographic in dinghy sailing. Its great when young people come into the sport, but my experience is that the many of the guys around the club are mid life or older, like myself. I used to do the circuit/nats etc in my younger days as it was good to sail on new waters and with people who were better than me, and was all part of trying to improve. However I'm now way past the point of trying to become the next Ben, and I get way more pleasure from sailing with my mates at the club. The thought of spending x hours travelling to a venue has zero appeal at this point in my life. Not sure what the answer is, other than stating the totally obvious that the sport needs new blood.
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This is why my my club started a sailing school (all volunteers running it) about 15 years ago, we were getting very old and had practically no dinghies sailing. They started the school  and rapidly got up to 80 kids registered each season for the school.. It took a while, but they have now fed through to dinghy sailing on normal racing days, we've gained a few parents sailing and doing duties as well..

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Originally posted by Late starter

I do wonder if part of the problem is the somewhat aging demographic in dinghy sailing. Its great when young people come into the sport, but my experience is that the many of the guys around the club are mid life or older, like myself. I used to do the circuit/nats etc in my younger days as it was good to sail on new waters and with people who were better than me, and was all part of trying to improve. However I'm now way past the point of trying to become the next Ben, and I get way more pleasure from sailing with my mates at the club. The thought of spending x hours travelling to a venue has zero appeal at this point in my life. Not sure what the answer is, other than stating the totally obvious that the sport needs new blood.

yep, and it doesn't help that parenting styles are different now - providing opportunities well outside of our desires and comfort factors.

I introduced my kids to sailing - they thought it was sh*t, or more specifically an inordinate amount of faff for something quite boring- I figured timing wasn't right (they were quite young) and we sold our family boat when it become financially impractical having moved the damn thing off the mooring less than 10 times in the final season.

Sailing being a PITA was then reinforced and made significantly worse on mandatory school sailing excursions in the depths of winter in the middle of Worcestershire in Topper Taz's....  I had no argument to counter that one.  It was miserable and one kid ended up in hospital with suspected hypothermia-  (the middle class kind, which isn't treated with bovril and a blanket)

I never thought I'd be watching ballet and basketball in some of my spare hours, but C'est La Vie!

Thoughts on getting another family boat - it's been discussed and ultimately dismissed, esp since marina fees are verging on triple what they were.
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My club has a nice lake in pretty surroundings. We have loads of requests to run opens. But attendance is down and the club has determined that the cost of running an open requires 20 double handers or 40 single handers to make it financially viable. Never mind the pita of finding ROs, mark layers and extra safety.

I reckon we will be running far fewer opens in future. This weekend's has been cancelled due to lack of pre-entries (I did warn that if we insist on pre-entry then fewer people will come, but better not to run it than to take the risk of a loss is the view).

For sure it would be better to sail at our own clubs in the same boats. But the demographic is heading into solos and k1s; not quite ready for that yet though.

At one time I'd do the 3000 and Javelin travellers circuits, clocking up 8 to 10 opens in a year. Now planning to do Javelin Euros, Osprey Nationals, Contender inlands .. and try to keep up with our local boat builder's blaze on the home lake.
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I was talking about this exact point with a friend last weekend. Turnout at opens and the few nationals to happen already this summer are down compared to last year or pre-covid. I do think a number of factor may be at play including cost of fuel, concerns over the cost of living crisis meaning people do not want to spend today in case they need it tomorrow, been a run of lower than average wind etc. Also the cost of opens has increased alot as clubs have to put up the cost due to increased cost of fuel for the rescue boats - £40+ for entry is starting to happen
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Quite a few things to consider ... a one day event can be a bit of a schlep together with increasing costs makes it less attractive if the weather, wind, venue and competition is iffy when compared with staying at your home club, I think that I have only done one one day open in 15 years.

The problem for a two day event is that accommodation is increasingly a problem, especially for one night at a weekend, and taking account of the aging demographic, not only are you forsaking a day at the club, but also a a day at home getting stuff done.

I have long been of the view that the most regular open meeting attendees tend to have less going on at home ... either where they sail or live.
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Originally posted by NickA

My club has a nice lake in pretty surroundings. We have loads of requests to run opens. But attendance is down and the club has determined that the cost of running an open requires 20 double handers or 40 single handers to make it financially viable. Never mind the pita of finding ROs, mark layers and extra safety.

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Just wondering why you need so many boats/ entries to make a profit . We normally use the rough rule that we need about 7 boats to break even . Our open numbers were down this year at 10 but we still made a small profit.
Do you have extra overheads to us like paid staff/rescue crew etc ? 
 

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I think our overheads are too big.

They reckon £125 a day for use of ribs, then each volunteer ( RO, 2X aro, mark layers, safety boat) gets £40 knocked off their club fees.

The ribs are expensive as the club bought several nice new ones with huge engines. If we don't use the "duty levy" system of club fee reduction it's reckoned no one will do any duties.

Our club fees are expensive due to the club's 2/3 employees and a hefty rent to the lake owners (Severn Trent = grabbing barstewards with share holders to please) so a refund is nice to have.

NB: open fees now £40 for a double hander for two days. But I just paid £50 for the Bala long distance ( includes a cut to the 3rd party event organisers I suppose).

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