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    Posted: 31 May 22 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Sure to be 'One gud un' millions of anglers apparently, can't see how any of them can help save clubs though, why even mention them.


Sense of perspective perhaps. Discussing other sports that have similar issues might make it easier to recognize the groupthink and insularity in your own...
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Originally posted by The Moo

From what I can see, Upton Warren SC (Worcs) activities have been scaled back over the years as the lake is shared with other water users. Looks like the area of water available to them is also reduced?

Lots of stuff going on though which has to be a good thing.
 

Only been to Upton Warren once , it was enough . I’ve never been to any place I would rather sail less . 
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"Upton Warren Sailing Club is a small family friendly club based at Aztec Adventure’s centre near Bromsgrove. We sail three evenings a week during summer and one Sunday a month throughout the year. You do not need to own a boat to join us; we have a range of dinghies that members can sail."

Very interesting to me that they sail three evenings during the week but only one Sunday a month.   Just goes to show that there are many different models and certainly not a one size fits all answer to making sailing clubs work. 
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Originally posted by Do Different

"Upton Warren Sailing Club is a small family friendly club based at Aztec Adventure’s centre near Bromsgrove. We sail three evenings a week during summer and one Sunday a month throughout the year. You do not need to own a boat to join us; we have a range of dinghies that members can sail."

Very interesting to me that they sail three evenings during the week but only one Sunday a month.   Just goes to show that there are many different models and certainly not a one size fits all answer to making sailing clubs work. 


Was thinking about midweek sailing. Our life has changed and we've lost our weekends to work. This happened for others years ago. Through the summer our club sails on thursday evenings only, again this is not always possible for us. 

One of the problems with a club being more flexible in this way is the requirement for more volunteers. Many clubs struggle to find enough of them to sail once a week. Great if a club can do it though.

and Robert:  Why even mention them?.......After much discussion on this forum about improving the image of sailing and the current RYA strategy of doing the same........your "Drowned at birth, knuckle dragging" comment aimed at 7 million folk on a public forum doesn't do it imo.

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Nothing short of a cataclysmic event will convince sixty million people that sailing isn't a sport for Toffs, but regardless of this, I prefer moderators to moderate my posts, I haven't had any moderated yet, with all your university education and courses since to get you where you are, I am surprised you can't spot a tongue in cheek comment?
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I am quite shocked at the attitude toward anglers on this forum and wonder, from some of the postings, what sort of people I am mixing with in my chosen sport of sailing. I grew up in Acton in west London and there was no opportunity to be able to understand sailing and the people who took part in the activity.  As a nipper I spent many a happy day fishing and as the son of a railway worker, engine driver, I was lucky enough to be able to travel long distances to enjoy this pastime.  Over a couple of winters, as a teenager, I went fishing most Sundays at Ruislip Lido and saw the 'yachts' sailing in the lake. My thoughts at the time was that people who sailed 'yachts' were 'posh' and rich. I moved into sailing at 27 years of age as my chosen sport of rallying became prohibitively expensive.  My point is that I think we have a serious issue with how sailing is perceived by the majority and from what's been said on this thread I am starting to feel that the perceptions of the teenage me might have been right and that sailors consider themselves to be in some way above 'the rest', snobs in fact.  If the majority of the population perceive that sailing is for the privileged few is it any surprise that it's hard to attract newcomers in the numbers we would like to see on the water?  For the record I still hanker to find the time to get out my tackle and hit the river banks yet again and expect to have to allow for passing boats in pursuit of this as well as being aware of the need to be responsible in terms of dealing with litter and tackle.  I am lucky to be a member of a fishing, sailing, rowing, canoeing/kayaking club just a 5 minute walk from home in Chichester Harbour.  I believe that the club was originally a fishing club and that sailing was a later addition  Wink    
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Originally posted by Grumpycat


Originally posted by The Moo

From what I can see, Upton Warren SC (Worcs) activities have been scaled back over the years as the lake is shared with other water users. Looks like the area of water available to them is also reduced?

Lots of stuff going on though which has to be a good thing.
 
Only been to Upton Warren once , it was enough . I’ve never been to any place I would rather sail less . 



We popped in midweek last year for a look after meeting up with family for lunch at adjacent garden centre last year.

It does now seem to have the appearance of a water theme park these days, which might be off putting to some. However, it was wall to wall happy kids, but sadly none of them sailing.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Nothing short of a cataclysmic event will convince sixty million people that sailing isn't a sport for Toffs, but regardless of this, I prefer moderators to moderate my posts, I haven't had any moderated yet, with all your university education and courses since to get you where you are, I am surprised you can't spot a tongue in cheek comment?


I'm not moderating you. More importantly I don't want to get into verbal fisty cuffs with anyone, certainly not you Handshake

PM me if you want to know what my background is. 

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Have any small clubs actually had a large membership? My club in sixty years never had more than seventy members, we still have our number two member, his father was number one, most boats sailed was twenty-four, Covid and a general decline before is the problem.
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Originally posted by rodney

I am quite shocked at the attitude toward anglers on this forum and wonder, from some of the postings, what sort of people I am mixing with in my chosen sport of sailing. I grew up in Acton in west London and there was no opportunity to be able to understand sailing and the people who took part in the activity.  As a nipper I spent many a happy day fishing and as the son of a railway worker, engine driver, I was lucky enough to be able to travel long distances to enjoy this pastime.  Over a couple of winters, as a teenager, I went fishing most Sundays at Ruislip Lido and saw the 'yachts' sailing in the lake. My thoughts at the time was that people who sailed 'yachts' were 'posh' and rich. I moved into sailing at 27 years of age as my chosen sport of rallying became prohibitively expensive.  My point is that I think we have a serious issue with how sailing is perceived by the majority and from what's been said on this thread I am starting to feel that the perceptions of the teenage me might have been right and that sailors consider themselves to be in some way above 'the rest', snobs in fact.  If the majority of the population perceive that sailing is for the privileged few is it any surprise that it's hard to attract newcomers in the numbers we would like to see on the water? 
Clap Well said.

I got off the phone from the president of one of our local angling clubs not long ago. He's had very little education, suffered a work-related injury, is now reliant on part-time work, and is your classic "rough diamond" with an absolute heart of gold and a determination to do an enormous amount of work for his community in a variety of ways. I don't kill fish for fun but being snobby towards people like him and his wife because of their chosen sport isn't going to help our sport.

After all, why hate fishos when there are people like jet skiers? Smile
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