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    Posted: 25 May 22 at 1:01pm
Totally understand your problems.
But a a puddle sailor all my life it’s difficult to comprehend losing club sailing to run a open . 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

Totally understand your problems.
But a a puddle sailor all my life it’s difficult to comprehend losing club sailing to run a open . 


As a small club, we would need to deplete our fleets to staff a 'major' open.
Key people would be missing the club racing, so it would upest the series results if the others raced. And the club racing would likely be a bit naff as a result. We don't necessarily see it as 'losing club racing' maybe it's 'fitting club racing around an event'? You don't have to club race every Sunday. Most people turn up maybe 3 out of 4 anyway, so the odd gap in the calendar does't hurt.
But it costs time and money to tool up for 40 boats, you don't want to invest that and have only 10 turn up. If we knew it was only 10 boats wanting a couple of races we could probably do that more casually together with the club racing.

Also,sometimes people who normally race something else will race in the open.
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I gave up Open Meetings in 1985 when my job meant working most Saturdays and some Sundays.  Championships then went by the way for family holidays.
Retired three years ago and thought time to get travelling again, then Covid.  So this season I bought a boat to travel (still use the Laser for Club Racing) and one that would not need much practice and would make me feel able to sail anywhere - A Streaker.  Its an experiment.  First stop was Snettisham beach - fantastic sail on the Saturday with club sailors, but for the Open Meeting on Sunday no wind, not much water and lots of mud.  Inlands at Grafham, shared with  two other classes to make numbers viable - about 40 boats in total.  Saturday no wind and in the one race the classes got mixed up and was quite frustrating.  Sunday was nice wind, four races and race officer managed really well so we all finished together (but race separately) so quick turn arounds, finished by 3.30pm.  Reading the reports I should have gone to Downs SC last WE.  Now looking forward to some new venues.  Not going to win as too many professionals at top of the class - does this impact on numbers - ie a sail maker who wins all the chocolates? but so far enjoying the experiment.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 7:38pm
In my mind, the main point of going to opens is for a) when club racing gets stale, and b) to improve your game, sailing against better people.
I'm happy for pro's, olympians and Nick Craig to turn up. It puts people who better than me, but not as good as they think they are, in their place.
And just now and then, you might get to cross  their bows.
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When they’re good, they’re very, very good; but when they’re bad, they’re horrid!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 22 at 5:49am
You can tell a lot about the class ethos by helping out at one of their opens … the Solo Class were a pleasure to watch from the committee boat and help drag trollies around for; another very widely popular adult singlehander, far less so…. To the point where I used to actively avoid sailing in my own club’s open for that class after overhearing visitors/guests complaining that some local boats weren’t CA members

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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 22 at 8:35am
Originally posted by turnturtle

You can tell a lot about the class ethos by helping out at one of their opens … the Solo Class were a pleasure to watch from the committee boat and help drag trollies around for; another very widely popular adult singlehander, far less so…. To the point where I used to actively avoid sailing in my own club’s open for that class after overhearing visitors/guests complaining that some local boats weren’t CA members


CA membership is a difficult point. It's required for open meetings. If you let some people off, but not others, some of those who do pay might rightly get upset. OTOH it's a barrier to people doing their first event. The option to join for the weekend works for some AIUI.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 22 at 9:07am
I think it was circumvented by writing into the SIs in latter years - the attitude peeved a lot of us 'locals' off; and tbh, the quality of the racing wasn't all that.  We already had good class racing every Sunday and Wednesday, enough for me to think I didn't need to worry about doing DIY on that 1 day year just to double the numbers on the start line and exponentially increase the numbers ahead of me on the finish line.  LOL

I guess it comes down to whether we see a host club as a host and that we are guests, or whether we see them as a service provider to class event racing programmes?  


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 22 at 9:11am
My club used to run Comet opens, but there were so many problems it was knocked on the head, more disputes than fun.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 22 at 9:56am
My club just runs one open a year for the British moths and it’s been a very pleasurable experience.
It’s run on a Saturday so it doesn’t stop club racing , we always get plenty of volunteers to be RO/ do rescue/ galley etc. The club thinks of it as a club event to be enjoyed by all.
Re class membership it’s not a problem as it’s not a BM class requirement to be a member to do your home open . You only need to be a member to do others clubs opens and the nationals . 



Edited by Grumpycat - 26 May 22 at 9:59am
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