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    Posted: 25 May 22 at 7:38pm
In my mind, the main point of going to opens is for a) when club racing gets stale, and b) to improve your game, sailing against better people.
I'm happy for pro's, olympians and Nick Craig to turn up. It puts people who better than me, but not as good as they think they are, in their place.
And just now and then, you might get to cross  their bows.
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I gave up Open Meetings in 1985 when my job meant working most Saturdays and some Sundays.  Championships then went by the way for family holidays.
Retired three years ago and thought time to get travelling again, then Covid.  So this season I bought a boat to travel (still use the Laser for Club Racing) and one that would not need much practice and would make me feel able to sail anywhere - A Streaker.  Its an experiment.  First stop was Snettisham beach - fantastic sail on the Saturday with club sailors, but for the Open Meeting on Sunday no wind, not much water and lots of mud.  Inlands at Grafham, shared with  two other classes to make numbers viable - about 40 boats in total.  Saturday no wind and in the one race the classes got mixed up and was quite frustrating.  Sunday was nice wind, four races and race officer managed really well so we all finished together (but race separately) so quick turn arounds, finished by 3.30pm.  Reading the reports I should have gone to Downs SC last WE.  Now looking forward to some new venues.  Not going to win as too many professionals at top of the class - does this impact on numbers - ie a sail maker who wins all the chocolates? but so far enjoying the experiment.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by Grumpycat

Totally understand your problems.
But a a puddle sailor all my life it’s difficult to comprehend losing club sailing to run a open . 


As a small club, we would need to deplete our fleets to staff a 'major' open.
Key people would be missing the club racing, so it would upest the series results if the others raced. And the club racing would likely be a bit naff as a result. We don't necessarily see it as 'losing club racing' maybe it's 'fitting club racing around an event'? You don't have to club race every Sunday. Most people turn up maybe 3 out of 4 anyway, so the odd gap in the calendar does't hurt.
But it costs time and money to tool up for 40 boats, you don't want to invest that and have only 10 turn up. If we knew it was only 10 boats wanting a couple of races we could probably do that more casually together with the club racing.

Also,sometimes people who normally race something else will race in the open.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 1:01pm
Totally understand your problems.
But a a puddle sailor all my life it’s difficult to comprehend losing club sailing to run a open . 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gordon 1430 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 12:30pm
As the open co ordinater for a club that runs a few Open event including last weekends very successful one for the 400 fleet, its a major hassle trying to get enough people who know what there doing to run a decent event.
As a sea club with no moorings of our own finding an owner of a committee boat, minimum of 3 rib crews to lay marks and cover safety. Plus all the paper works including risk assessments for QHM 
NOR SI's and organise food for all including Saturday night.
At one point the Thursday before the event we had 4 entries and in the end 25 so it was all OK.
The forecast was good for the Saturday so I am sure that helped the turnout. But to put the whole thing together and say get 5 or 6 boats  would do me in,. never mind the grief for the club sailors missing out on there sailing.
If people want to have open meetings the class needs to ensure a decent turnout or clubs wont run them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Q Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 22 at 7:53am
Here in Norfolk and northern Suffolk, you used to be able to go from club to club throughout the School summer holidays and race every single day at the open regattas, I've just looked up the open regattas and it's not far off still being the case (see http://www.thegreenbook.org.uk/ click on green book then affiliated clubs open regatta details.. That's in a distance of 60 miles(by flying crow)
 that's 9 Clubs + North Norfolk week a group of another 7 clubs).
 There are many other open regattas /event throughout the summer season and some in the winter I see no shortage of clubs holding open events, My own Club Horning has 8 in a summer season..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 22 at 6:48pm
Originally posted by Old Timer

On the flip side will clubs still be willing to host?

With people looking at forecasts, if it’s bad the event could be a total flop for the hosts. 

Running an event requires lining up loads of volunteers… how many time will clubs continue to do this for a handful of visitors. 


It seems to me clubs make a lot of song and dance about some of these 'events', maybe we need something closer to simply inviting some visiting boats to join our racing? An extra start sequence, one more safety boat and an extra 'galley slave'.
If it's not a 505 Worlds Qualifying event, does it matter if the courses etc are just club standard, the point is to have extra boats for your own boats to race against, put your club 'on the map' , make friends etc. Keep the entry fee cheap, make a bit on the bar, keep the impact on club sailing low.

Obviously if you want people to drive 200 miles and have B&B costs etc, you need to up your game, but a lot of clubs could do something useful without anyone coming from a different county.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mole Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 22 at 5:26pm
As a single teenage apprentice I was often at open meetings every other weekend in the 70's. The fuel price hike was similar to now, as was inflation, but I didn't have a mobile phone, laptop, etc.
My sailing kit was basic but functional, We didn't have fashion in sailing clothing in those days. I often had just enough to live the rest of the week after entry fees, fuel and beer. Accommodation was in the Costa del Cortina, food was from the club. Some of the best fun I had in my life, at that time. If you ever went to Hornet open in those days, you'll know what I mean
Life was simpler the fun was more appreciated.
It seems now so much is paid for boats, equipment and useless paraphernalia, that there is little left in the budget to get to the club, sail and socialise.
Many have been hooked on the marketing of the latest one design giving the best value whilst eliminating cheque book (oops credit card) competitive sailing
But Rs's, Lasers, etc cost 1000's new and just look at the cost of a Moth! That used to be the cheapest performance boat, but they lost their identity in the belief foils are some how better and is actually still sailing. Leave it to the speed record seekers.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 22 at 4:43pm
On the flip side will clubs still be willing to host?

With people looking at forecasts, if it’s bad the event could be a total flop for the hosts. 

Running an event requires lining up loads of volunteers… how many time will clubs continue to do this for a handful of visitors. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 May 22 at 9:35am
Tend to find that a lot of people on the open circuits are attending because the club racing at home is not challenging enough, we had 20 Solos club racing on Saturday, so why go anywhere else?  

The exception is bigger regional and national championship events, but in time I get more selective, and increasingly prioritise the off water experience ... I really don't need a week holiday in Hayling or Pwllheli anymore.

Classes like the Solo and the Merlin have pursued a route to have less, but bigger class supported events, no doubt identifying this need.

Maybe the ageing demographic will impact Open Meeting attendance, as might fuel prices.


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