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    Posted: 21 May 22 at 5:28am
Originally posted by Grumpycat

My sailing wife is also a paddleboarder. If her experience of other people in the the sport/ pastime is anything to go by.. They really don’t want to pay to do it , they just think they can turn up anywhere and paddle .  Smile

Yep when I've pointed that out to canoers and paddle boarders on the broads they seem very surprised they have to pay broads tax currently £37.78...

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Nicola.

I take my hat off to you for picking up a new "thing" and doing it well.

However, to quote  "this is  now what people expect  of an activity  that if you  put the effort in you can perform at high level  if you put the time and effort in"

The plain fact is and will always be that sailing  ( if we are talking racing)  isn't like that. There are so many layers required to be in place before someone can "perform at high level" that it will never happen for "people" . 

Yes anyone can learn to sail but of those not all will ever truly "get it". And this is not me being elitist  or classist or bigotist or racist but simply a fact. A very few, how ever much effort they put in will get to high level.

Effort in whatever form be it, taking coaching, fitness training or mental theory will not equate to straight line improvement in results, anybody who expects that is doomed to disappointment. 

I knew a man, a very bright man, a very driven man, a very physically together man who gave up sailing through frustration at effort in not being rewarded as he wanted. Yes he became good but there were people who were better for no reason he could see. He had been a county swimmer in his teens & twenties and left sailing to pursue triathlon and the straighter line payback he needed the effort expended.    

I make no claims for myself "I know my place" in the pecking order.  At least in my head I know my place and that suits me, not smugness, simply an acceptance of my failings which allows me to enjoy what feedback I can from the feel of "simply sailing".
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 22 at 4:31am
I thought about some sort of dance type of thing, my torso is stiff from training, need to loosen up, looks good but can hardly reach to pull on my socks, will have a Google see what is about.
Congratulations on getting to a level to perform.
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Originally posted by eric_c

Originally posted by ChrisI

Originally posted by fab100

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Think this is a really important point and totally correct.... sailing takes huge time on the water to get really good and to race well, although not too long to learn basics.
Our club has many more signing up for our 'General Sailing' day every weekend (most of whom have done their RYA !&2) rather than for the other day which is 'Racing'.
We are trying to intro a fun racing element on this day (short course 'wacky racing') but I think this is the step that has to be solved in order to grow the sport generally (i.e. the problem is not the numbers doing our 1&2 courses which are choc-a-bloc full).
To be controversial.....is 'not making people pay' for this bit (unlike the 1&2 courses at our club), and therefore not being able to pay for qualified help to make sure it always gets managed and supervised well, the possible problem with this step?
Like most clubs we are always debating what volunteers 'should' do and what we will pay people to do....which is the commercial sailing centre vs voluntary club issue in a nutshell.


But in other sports, people don't turn up as beginners and expect to compete with the top people. When I was younger, people bought old boats as beginners and competed among the other beginners (and a few experienced, un competitive people with old boats). Do people buy racing bikes and expect to be at the front of their local club after a month or two?



I think you raise a good point about paying to improve, coaching is very valauble at club level, more could be done to provide this, although I think it will be much easier to do on a class basis. There arecoaches, and there are plenty of punters who could benefit, there seems to be a gap in making it happen except in a few classes.


I think you are missing the point  somewhat  

I've been dancing  not  quite 6 years,  not quite 5 years ago  i decided this is  'my thing' now  ...  this february  i took ' advanced / pro' classes  on a trip to London  nd wasn't 'spat out the back' 

in a couple of weeks time i'll be performing  it;s not a paid  gig  but some of the dancers i'll be dancing with  are professionally trained  ... 

 this is  now what people expect  of an activity  that if you  put the effort in you can perofrm at high level  if you put the time and effort in 

equally  when i started sailing as a 12.5 year old  i didn;t  plan on getting to  WInter Training / Squad selction before i aged out   of the system ... 
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My mrs has paddled on our local canal between Coventry and Rugby.  Smile 
Not fallen in yet , she has a good sense balance, must be decade’s of sailing , windsurfing and canoeing  LOL
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Originally posted by 423zero

I have seen a few SUPers on the canal, wouldn't want to fall in though.
Seen a few here, a few there.
Would not want to be associated with those who fell in at Haverfordwest.
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I have seen a few SUPers on the canal, wouldn't want to fall in though.
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

My sailing wife is also a paddleboarder. If her experience of other people in the the sport/ pastime is anything to go by.. They really don’t want to pay to do it , they just think they can turn up anywhere and paddle .  Smile


My niece is much the same. Doesn't mind paying when someone's adding value, like some coaching, kit hire, or a minibus to the coast, but mostly turning up and getting on with it is not much of a revenue  stream for anyone. A colleague's wife does sea swimming, she'll pay a small fee for organised events. Like surfers, they'll even avoid paying for parking if they can.
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by davidyacht

Just musing, but maybe the future is in "Watersports Clubs", something like a WPSNA set up, a facility for changing, eating, drinking, socialising, boat/paddleboard/wing foil/canoe/kayak/rowing boat storage, gym with a great slipway alongside a large piece of water, with racing, training and coaching.  Families could be members for life with the possibility of dipping in and out of different watersports.  The facility would be delivered by employees and those members who wanted to get involved, but the set up would directed by the participant/members.

Maybe this is already the direction of travel from some successful clubs?

Something not like WPNSA, then David, somewhere the changing rooms are not inadequate and leave you feeling stickier than before you showered, somewhere with a bit of soul, decent beer in glasses not the cheapest plastic and 'club' prices not resort prices. Personally, I'd rather be in Salcombe or Fowey or Frensham with their downsides (or anywhere, frankly) than WPNSA.

Worth looking back at some of iGRFs posts (yes, really) about when his club let in the non-sailors, who then took over and nearly killed the place as a sailing club.

That model works for Sunsail and the like with their beach clubs in sunny climes but not sure many can afford the fortnightly holiday premium for 52 weeks a year

WPSNA could be way better than it is … I guess that when designed it was never intended to segregate under 18s from adults.  It is also made much better for having the Cove a short distance away!

I don’t completely buy into iGRFs comments about paddle boarders.  I love Salcombe YC, Gallants and RFYC but I suspect they survive because they are firmly locked in their community, and because a large number of dinghy sailing obsessives have migrated to the South West.  
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My sailing wife is also a paddleboarder. If her experience of other people in the the sport/ pastime is anything to go by.. They really don’t want to pay to do it , they just think they can turn up anywhere and paddle .  Smile
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