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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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OK, here's where I am, I am in a minority group in sailing, I live a fairly blameless life, I don't appreciate being told I need to change, don't think I do need to change.
My sailing is done in a 'Last of the summer wine' style, more fun and games than effing and blinding other sailors out of the way, I have been known to throw a wet sponge in curmudgeons direction. |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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All this talk of 'inclusivity'. Implies there's lots of 'relevant' people out there who 'we' are 'excluding' Why are these people not doing stuff that 'we' want to join in with? Isn't it a bit paternalsitic (or something) to think that 'we' need to provide for 'them'? In reality, in lots of other fields, young and diverse people do stuff, start stuff, make stuff happen, which attracts all sorts including white middle aged boat owners. |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Thanks for your posts, SL.
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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In my vew, too many RYA and WS people too focused on the olympics and getting TV coverage. But as with cycling, there's not many people wanting to get involved on the competitiv side at a budget level. Sailing could be cheap, buy an old Laser or join a club like mine with some old Lasers and sailagainst toher old Lasers. But it'seasier to find people who will spend several grad ona boat and not use it much. Same with bikes, lots of peope buying shiny bikes and not even wearing the tyres out. Business keeps wating to sell you new stuff, so mountain bikes have evolved to be no fun on a lane,so you want a gravel bike. Media tell you about new stuff, because advertisers like that, and because readers will click on shiny stuff not articles telling them it's fun to do up an old clunker and just get out there. Same as it ever was. Which is why some clubs will forego trying to broadly appeal and just quietly get on with providing racing for GP14s and Solos. For many clubs, it's a formula that's worked for 50 years, through a fw ups and downs.
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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The problem is Nicola Jayne..... .....I enjoy sailing dinghies and have made some good friends at the club. ![]() ![]() |
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NicolaJayne ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 19 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
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little or no point bothering previous attempts just result in a doubling down and retrenchment , meanwhile other activities whether new or old activities that have previous ignored the adult recreational market go from strength to strength |
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Sussex Lad ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jun 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
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I'll take that at face value so thank you TT ![]() The sad thing is that all the discussions in the past regarding sexist attitude, lack of racial diversity, homophobia and how to promote the sport etc. have been token gestures or now at least appear to have been...........change from the status quo isn't wanted. I have worked professionally in the past, and am still interested in the concept of human change. How to understand and let go of fixed unhelpful or destructive belief systems and ideas in individuals and groups (extended to organisations). The framework has been humanistic. Professionally the work has been with Social Services and various Children's charities. The theory can get quite jargony and technical (deliberately steered clear of that here, it ain't always helpful) but it isn't quackery. Currently with the world seemingly going in one direction I am determined to demonstrate that there is another direction available, one that is inclusive, less divisive. If anyone wants more on how this might apply to SC's PM Edited by Sussex Lad - 16 May 22 at 11:12am |
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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I'm not at all sure that windsurfing in its boom days was any more superficial than dinghy sailing or anything else in its boom days. In fact many of us who were in the industry say that the problem essentially was the opposite - it wasn't "superficial" enough. Windsurfing became focussed on the dedicated junkies who would ditch work (or change jobs) around the wind and change boards every few months. Those dedicated people are too rare to make a proper base for a sport. Other people may seem superficial but in fact they were dead keen - but they had families, and jobs. They weren't actually superficial, but they were driven away from the sport by an industry that thought that anyone who had a life elsewhere was superficial - and that's doom for any sport. "Boat sailing" seems to be currently being driven into the same corner by WS and the industry. Funnily enough, very few of those in the driving seat actually sail the sort of craft they want everyone else to sail. It's a classic case of "do as a I do, not as I say" whereas when the sport was booming, the opinion leaders normally sailed the boats they wanted others to sail. Edited by CT249 - 16 May 22 at 11:29am |
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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Business is ultimately not interested in sailing, it will turn to where the money is. It is also not really interested in the long term either. Any sensible business wants its money wthin a few years. I know plenty of commercial and semi-commercial operations in sailing, from dinghy-hire through one man/one yacht sea schools to big sail training organisations. These things come and go, but I don't think they are really growing strongly on the whole. It might be interesting to know how numbers of people working in such businesses are changing. A lot oare not making a real living, it's either fill-in jobs or 'paying hobby' where instructors gret their sailing paid for or their yachts subsidised to top up their pensions. Again, it's an area where looking at what happens abroad might be interesting.
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CT249 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 Jul 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 399 |
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Plenty of people around the world seem to be excited by the idea of spending a week's wage on a pop-out plank and paddling it around their local puddle at about 3 knots. They are doing it in their tens of thousands, or more, all around the world.* Meanwhile, sailing is obsessed with the idea that people should spend a minimum of a couple of months wage on a hyperformance boat that they can't learn to sail on a gravel pit or in Cornwall. Sailing in the UK and Midlands seems to be doing as well, or better, than just about anywhere in the world. The UK style seems to be working better than any other style. * God knows why....as someone who got into windsurfing as a kid I can remember in the '70s and early '80s grabbing an oar or a paddle and standing on a Windsurfer (TM) while teaching other people. It was slow and fairly crap (IMHO) then and still is - but the fact that it's now so enormously popular has a big lesson for sailing.
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