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    Posted: 11 May 22 at 7:27am

Originally posted by Sussex Lad

......what an anti climax. Thought it was gonna get all EastEnders.



What... Peggy Mitchell screaming 'geeh outta my clubbbb'!!! for daring to use a Rooster sail on the laser start line?  No, never fear, it's far more civilised.

First offence is a little finger, yakuza style, using a baby stroller to administer the punishment...

Second offence, well we're born with two little fingers aren't we? As long as your parents could afford a decent pram, you should still have two for adulthood

Third offence, you'd beg for death... the punishment is far worse: relegated to the PY fleet racing agsinst a spreadsheet

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Originally posted by salmon80

Doesn't seem a huge loss, hardly any activity at the club.
Spread the members out at other clubs reinforces their membership and volunteer pool.
It would be interesting to see some statistics around what happens to the membership of a club when it closes. At my small club we've always had many members who live locally, and while I think some of the keener racers will move club and continue in the sport I think a lot of our members would leave the sport if the club closed. IMHO club closures are usually a big deal.  

When my first club closed 25 years ago , I think we were down to about 30 members and about 15 of them were were regular racers . I have less information on what happened to the 15 none racers but I do know of at least two or three of them that joined other clubs .
I do know more about happened to the 15 racers , 3 were over retiring age and I think just didn’t want to be bothered with the upheaval of joining a new club and stopped sailing, but the rest of us found new clubs straight away. 
To sum up, if this is replicated in other clubs that close, about 50% of a clubs membership will go on to get new clubs. 
I am not saying these are reliable statistics in anyway.  Smile


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I'd guess that mst actual active sailors will join another club if they actually enjoy racing.
Some might be ready to take a break from it or give it up.
The people who are involved with the sport running races, manning safety boats etc, if they don't race themselves, are perhaps more likely not to join another club? There are a lot of ex-sailors, parents of sailors etc etc who do a lot of work. Some of that will be missed by sailing as a whole. Some of the 'work' in running a a club which doesn't attract enough sailors is perhaps only of value to the people it's keeping amused on their committees?
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Of the clubs which close, how many of those were due to the club becoming unviable? Most closures I can think of are down to them losing sailing water, or are mergers of two clubs which were aleeady next door to each other and sailed on the same water.

Possibly more interesting, what was the most recent completely new club to open? Discounting WPNSA, and the equivalents in Wales and Scotland as they aren't really clubs in the conventional sense of the word, the most recent I can think of is Carsington which opened in the mid 90s after the reservoir was built there. New sailing venues have appeared since then, but those are existing clubs which have moved to a new lake such as Bowmoor rather than a completely new club.
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Although not a huge loss for the world of sailing it's probably a devastating blow for those who have grown up there and put so much into the club.

Having said that, the traditional SC setup is unfortunately slightly anachronistic. Leisure time availability, values and fashions etc have changed (not for the better imo). Traditional approaches are being abandoned wholesale.......  SC's are not noted for their ability to adapt to these things.
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Originally posted by Sussex Lad

Although not a huge loss for the world of sailing it's probably a devastating blow for those who have grown up there and put so much into the club.

Having said that, the traditional SC setup is unfortunately slightly anachronistic. Leisure time availability, values and fashions etc have changed (not for the better imo). Traditional approaches are being abandoned wholesale.......  SC's are not noted for their ability to adapt to these things.

This is true but the added cost of clubs with full time staff and rescue crew will also force people out of the sport too. 
Sailing is between a rock and a hard place . 
 


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I think that the big issue is that once somebody has allocated their leisure time to a different activity, then it is hard to wean them back, so the most active sailors are likely to find new clubs, but the occasional sailors will probably do other things with their time.

The clubs that I am aware of that have packed up have mainly been landlord related.
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davidyacht Sure you are correct , re landlord problems causing most club closures .
Unless your a midlands river club. Clubs like Warwick ( my old club) and Evesham just ran out of members in the 90s due to changing tastes in sailing . People wanted more than sailing up and down on narrow bit of river fighting with canoeists, hire boats and in Eveshams case, canal boats  Smile

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Folk seem to want to do sport in short bursts these days. An hour at the gym, and hour running or cycling, maybe a couple of hours SUPing. It fits the modern lifestyle and frame of mind. They want to do it without an ongoing commitment to others. Volunteering for duties or work parties is not going to happen......in for an hour and out, then shower, no further mucking about or hassle.

A modern factor is background levels of stress and anxiety within the population. Clearly Job security, career prospects and lower relative wages doesn't help. This has been steadily getting worse for a couple of decades at least. You may think that this is all part of life's rich cycle and folk need to get over it (mmmm that's another debate) but this does take it's toll.

add to this current international and domestic political situations + now covid......and...... the tendency now for the media to present the worst possible disaster scenarios in language that is at best inflammatory because fear and alarm sells papers.

The population, (which includes sailors) are becoming more anxious and stressed. People who are stressed tend to narrow their outlook, narrow their field of concern. They get angrier and more easily offended, less likely to tolerate. The become less interested in further stimulation or hassles. They care less about stuff that's outside their immediate sphere of concern. They want easy answers to other incidental needs like health and fitness  (and other things).

The effects are insidious but relentless ATM. 

Sailing is complicated, needs lots of time and if you're doing it in a traditional club, needs lots of commitment to that club and other members. It also comes with extra hassle.

People are changing.

I am aware that some folk on here will think this is all absolutely irrelevant BS but Hey ho. I doubt SC's can adapt to this.



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The problem with the short burst no commitment model is that it is very expensive. Sailing clubs in their traditional form developed in the 1950s when people were much less affluent than they are today, and evolved as the cheapest way to make dinghy racing possible. Alternates will only really work for the rich who don't have to worry about the money.

In many ways it would be going back to competitive sailing as it existed before WW2, even WW1 when gentleman (and some ladies) had their expensive clubs in Cowes or on the Thames, and the only working people who sailed were fishermen and the like who crewed on millionaires yachts in the summer.
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