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    Posted: 09 May 22 at 11:48am
Originally posted by Sussex Lad

Dodgy PY's exist for other reasons of course but the tidal effect is one of biggest contributors to the problem.


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Originally posted by eric_c

 
That's another side of coastal clubs, relatively few are pure 'dinghy racing' clubs.
Which means often the main aim of the club is accommodating yachts ashore in the winter and dinghy racing is a sideline or 'for the kids'. There is a whole spectrum of this and each club is unique (?)
The positive side of that is that you can have opportunities to race bigger boats, hitch a ride to France, meet a wider range of watersports people etc.

Good point but not sure about "relatively few". The vast majority of coastal clubs I visit for open meetings are pure dinghy clubs. Perhaps that's a cause-effect inversion. ut back to my River Itchen to Portsmouth club-count, most of those are dinghy/cat-only, no floating caravans.

But go to the IoW and it seems they're virtually all floating-caravan clubs. Yachts need some form of harbour for weather protection. Dinghies don't.


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My personal preference is the open sea. Big waves, Big summer sea breezes and an empty horizon (in one direction at least).

There are more issues with the PY system on the sea unfortunately as the majority returns come from inland venues. A fantastically sailed topper will loose to  an average or poor  team in a 400 (or even a Laser). Tide cripples the slower boats in the vast majority of cases The stronger the tide the worse it gets. I suppose most choose a boat that suits their venue but the skewed returns create some outright bandits ( as opposed to slight banditry) at tidal locations. Dodgy PY's exist for other reasons of course but the tidal effect is one of biggest contributors to the problem.

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Many of the  inland clubs on the Norfolk broads are Dinghy, Keelboat and Yacht. As are some in the lakes district and in the Scottish inland Lochs

Yesterday we had all three out on the same stretch of river at the same time.
 Sometimes there are trophies that apply to all three types of boat and you could have a dinghy or  40ft sailing cruiser and anything in between going for the same trophy..
Oh and I've a motorboat moored at the same club as well


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Plus, dare we mention, motorboats, which have their place… for actually getting somewhere in a reasonable timeframe
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Originally posted by 423zero

My first trip out to sea was from Lowestoft, what a disaster, we were supposed to be sailing to Peterhead, we left on the tail end of a big storm, so the sea was still rough (this was late seventies). Left river mouth, turned up north, we were met by waves the size of vans, not breaking though, but we were repeatedly dropping off the top into the following wave. From leaving the side Skipper was repeatedly banging the top of the radar and muttering to himself. Then a fog bang rolled in, Skipper then found out the radio decided it had had enough. No option but to turn back, that was a laugh. We were all desperate not to hear the bell from the beach . Two hours after leaving we were back tied up.    
Edited to add, it was Great Yarmouth, (Lowestoft was later).


That's another side of coastal clubs, relatively few are pure 'dinghy racing' clubs.
Which means often the main aim of the club is accommodating yachts ashore in the winter and dinghy racing is a sideline or 'for the kids'. There is a whole spectrum of this and each club is unique (?)
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I am lucky enough to sail on a pond as well as on an estuary but my dream would be to sail on the sea as often as I could and I regularly drive for hours to go to opens on the sea. Sometimes when the forecast is looking light at the pond I pack up the boat and head to Warsash so I can go enjoy the sea breeze. Would always choose the sea over a pond.
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Sadly not all inland sites can keep their marks out, whether we be on the Broad or on the river the marks have to be taken back in...  Or you might find some holiday maker in the bushes having moored his 40ft hire motor boat to a mark with a 5 lb weight on it.. yep they've tried even during a race, though that was a 20ft hire day motor boat..
If you have a breakage though and the rescue boats are elsewhere on the course of the river, you just paddle to the side of the river and another competitor will tell the nearest rescue boat as they pass.
Fixed marks can be dodgy too, I've sailed at clubs where they always use the same marks, always trying to set up a sausage samoza, from the same start line, so you get strange angles to the wind and when it's the normal south westerly it can get very boring. A variety of courses makes life more interesting. It's one of the reasons I've stayed at Horning Sailing club, we do on the river at the club, up at the Broad doing a variety of courses, and the most of civilised races Down river to a pub, have lunch and then race back.. 


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My first trip out to sea was from Lowestoft, what a disaster, we were supposed to be sailing to Peterhead, we left on the tail end of a big storm, so the sea was still rough (this was late seventies). Left river mouth, turned up north, we were met by waves the size of vans, not breaking though, but we were repeatedly dropping off the top into the following wave. From leaving the side Skipper was repeatedly banging the top of the radar and muttering to himself. Then a fog bang rolled in, Skipper then found out the radio decided it had had enough. No option but to turn back, that was a laugh. We were all desperate not to hear the bell from the beach . Two hours after leaving we were back tied up.    
Edited to add, it was Great Yarmouth, (Lowestoft was later).

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The other I apsect missed from my post is the time spent at the club, I don’t really do much socialising at sailing clubs as I need to spend time with my wife too.  You could rock up to an inland club 30mins before the start, peel the cover off and go, then be back home 30 mins after the race.
At the coastal club, the safety boat has to be set-up, engine warmed thru’, marks loaded on, etc. then collectively everyone has to muck in to get the rib down to and across the beach, and get the rib launched.  The folk on the rib then get the marks dropped and set a start line.  
Then everyone else launches and sailing out to the start, with a variety of classes there’s a range of time its takes for some boats to make it to the start.  If a boat gets into difficulties, then the rib up- anchors and goes to assist which then can delay the start.
At our coastal club it would be handicap racing from a mass start, the race would be roughly 50 mins for the first boat but this could be 1.5hours for the last boat.  Then the marks would need to be retrieved and the rib recovered, hose down, engine flushed thru’, etc..
An evening race of about an hour would mean you’d be gone for 4 hours, I struggle to justify being away for that length of time so find myself jumping on a mountain bike for an hour or so instead these days.


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