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 Topic: Inland vs SeaPosted: 08 May 22 at 8:21am |
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That sums up my experiences perfectly Mongrel! Also, on the coast, especially in a singlehander, you scratch the living days lights off the bottom of the hull as leaving the boat on the beach whilst you fetch your trolley is unavoidable. On a lake you can leave it where you launched.
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turnturtle
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 8:15am |
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Great post - exactly my experience too
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mongrel
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 7:35am |
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My experience of being a member of a large inland club and smallish coastal club is as follows -
Sailing inland on a lake/reservoir can be so much more convenient/safer than sailing on the sea. Launching your boat down a nice concrete slipway within 10 metres of where the cover was removed, not worrying about the tide taking your trolley away while you’re sailing is so convenient. My old club in the midlands was a decent sized reservoir, the racing area would be probably twice the size of the racing area used by my coastal club. Inland the marks were permanently positioned and the course would be set according to the wind direction, you’d normally get at least two upwind legs and a variety of reaches and runs downwind. The coastal club would have to send a rib out with 3 buoys and set a triangle, which could end up being a one-sided beat and two dodgy downwind legs. Inland you could turn up and launch and use the marks to set a course to practice, if you had a serious breakage it would result in a long walk back rather than a trip on a lifeboat. Also I’d sail in much stronger wind strengths inland than I would on the sea, probably because of my perception of the risks, the inland club would also run races in higher wind strengths than the coastal club. Certain wind directions on the coast can build a large swell where you intend to launch from which results in no sailing, even relatively low wind strengths can cause this. I think you can really improve at racing sailing quite rapidly at an inland club whereas it would take years to reach a similar level sailing at one coastal club, that said some areas have a variety of coastal clubs that sail on different days, so you could sail at 3 or 4 to get more racing. I would say that sailing at a coastal club can give you a day of sailing that you’ll always remember as one of your best sailing experiences, when the sun’s out, force 4, nice waves its perfect, you just can’t get that inland. Also sailing along the coastline to another beach for a beer is a great experience, especially for someone who grew up in the midlands.
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The Q
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Posted: 07 May 22 at 7:37am |
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I've sailed dinghies in several places in the sea, the Hebrides, Scarborough, Saudi. (You want salt try Saudi).
I've sailed dinghies inland, in the Hebrides, kielder water, Shotwick, Cheddar, Gull island Pond (Falklands), four places round MK, and all over the Norfolk Broads. Each place requires a different type of sailing, but inland requires much better boat handling, especially on the smaller lakes. People on the larger waters like cheddar and kielder really didn't like me sailing 6inches apart as we do commonly on the Norfolk Broads. Also I find in very light wind days on the sea I found the seagoing sailers were not that good. Having been used to the light winds of the Norfolk Broads I was used to spotting the next little patch of air to aim for.. We've had sea going sailers turn up for opens and thing like the 3 Rivers Race, and they really don't do well tacking up 50ft wide rivers busy with sailors and hire boats... Hmm 9mph north easterly forecast tomorrow with low tide at Horning about 12:00, so the tides not going to be too strong either way, but a running start on the river.. once round the corner there won't be much wind between the houses. |
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CT249
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Posted: 07 May 22 at 1:23am |
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For me it's the sea for actual sailing and racing, but inland clubs have a lot of benefits in terms of access to populace, easy launching, etc. So estuaries, which combine the two, are perfect! :-)
I grew up on an estuary and for years only raced at sea, but over the last few years I've been mainly an inland sailor and it's been good for my sailing. IMHO you can hit the sea for a weekend and get lots of good training in, but learning to handle inland conditions seems to normally just take week after week of racing. I do get what Eric said about the inland venues that create some sailors who are only good in one set of conditions, but the same thing can apply to ocean venues. One major thing could be that a country that values inland sailing (the UK in particular but perhaps also Germany) will almost always have a bigger and better sailing scene than those that downgrade it and therefore make the sport less accessible to most people.
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mole
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Posted: 06 May 22 at 5:04pm |
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I was lucky enough to learn to sail on the sea, it gives you a great respect for the power of wind and waves combined. But I also enjoyed the challenge of inland racing, Redoubt in Kent effectively has two lakes joined by a 'cut'. Great fun trying to get through when boats are going both ways.
I quickly noticed how boat handling skills were important inland, sail smooth and keep the boat moving. On the sea you can just wait for the next following wave. Can't beat reaching down wind with a following sea, surfing down waves, so I guess its the sea for me.
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Do Different
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Posted: 06 May 22 at 4:40pm |
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Surely the point is all sailing is making the best of nature. Some venues have wind that goes round and round, some have water which moves in and out roughly every six hours.
We're all entitled to our preferences but some of the jaundiced views suggest to me what people are saying is they prefer racing over sailing, which is also cool if that's your thing.
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fab100
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Posted: 06 May 22 at 4:17pm |
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That's a bit harsh - perhaps you need to join a friendlier club. Our club handbook actually contains advice on how to sail on the pond and our 'experts' are far more likely to share their knowledge and help people than keep it to themselves. Some bloke actually wrote a book as a follow on from helping/coaching on how to get grips with the place
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eric_c
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Posted: 06 May 22 at 3:30pm |
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You're right, I should have said 'two sets of wind directions'. :-) Point is the locals learn this rubbish over a couple (or more) seasons and become experts at their little pond where they're the bigger fish. Happens in some bays on the sea too. Not very encouraging for newcomers who lose interest before joining the clique.
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JimC
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Posted: 06 May 22 at 2:11pm |
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Or even the same time at different heights up the rig... Edited by JimC - 06 May 22 at 2:11pm |
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