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    Posted: 06 May 22 at 10:40am
Learn to sail inland, finish your education on the sea.  After that it is horses for courses.
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Originally posted by eric_c

[---]Are we talking about 'sailing' or 'dinghy racing'?


Most of the mild animosity on this forum is because that question is rarely qualified before we all post!

Some of the best racing I’ve experienced has been in boats that would be dog sh*t for cruising, but then some of the best blasts I’ve had have been in boats I most certainly am not skilled enough to race to any vague standard.

FWIW - having tried most singlehanders, and owned a few - the D-Zero gets the balance right imho

Blaze too - on the sea at least

DD - always have a sensible hat on, unless it’s the Dear Dave thread

Edited by turnturtle - 06 May 22 at 10:50am
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Counting the sailing clubs from the IoW ferry one day, we got to at least 10 dinghy sailing clubs between the river Itchen and Portsmouth Harbour - about one per mile!

Coastal clubs only have about a 180 degree catchment area (the water gets in the way), not 360 like inland. I've always thought this spreads things over-thin for many coastal clubs. And the percentage of sailors is far from being sufficiently higher near the coast to compensate for either of those things.

I learned to sail on an estuary and it took me a while to adapt to inland; I always got lifted hugely just as I reached the reeds. Now, I prefer inland, but like a bit of sea sailing as long as tide does not make it a one-way, tactics-free drag race to the favoured corner. I'm better nowadays at sneaky than one-way hike-fests. 

So, POSH this weekend, where Torbay scrambles the magnets in my brain. The sea on the south coast should face south and a bit west, not bloody east


Edited by fab100 - 06 May 22 at 10:59am
Great book for Club Sailors here
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Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

The skill set is so different. Some of our top Solo sailors (Essex Yacht Club/Leigh-on-Sea Sailing Club) went to an inland Open meeting last autumn. Got destroyed! Chatting with one of our lads, he could not believe how good the local sailors were in picking the right place to be on the course, and boat tuning.
Some places only have two wind directions (up the valley, down the valley) and no variables like tide or swell. Often fixed marks. So the same race gets replayed many times a season.
 Good sea venues can have a different environment every week.
  Does it make 'good' racing if the locals spend a few years learning their pond, river or bay? Or does it just exclude people by favoring the local pecking order?
The good circuit sailors will become adept at learning new ponds, rivers and bays quickly.
 Fair point about boat tuning, on the sea sometimes too many variables and boats too far apart make small differences in pace much harder to see. (and easier to compensate for!)
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Eric-e . You must tell me which inland clubs only have two wind directions, I will be there like a shot Smile.
All the inland clubs I have ever sailed at have had 2,3,4 sometimes 5 or 6 wind directions in the same race  LOL
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Originally posted by sawman

our coastal club wintered on a small pond this year, i really enjoyed the nip and tuck of shifty winds, i think it has also improved my boat handling. With lots of boats in a confined space it exposed the sketchyness of rule knowledge for some sailors, esp for mark rounding etc'

mainly i enjoyed not having to lug the boat 100's of yards up the beach after sailing.

that said a decent offwind leg, with the swell / surf helping is awesome

so I'd vote for both!!

Steady on , coming on here giving balanced views on stuff  Wink . What has happened to this forum  LOL
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Eric-e . You must tell me which inland clubs only have two wind directions, I will be there like a shot Smile.
All the inland clubs I have ever sailed at have had 2,3,4 sometimes 5 or 6 wind directions in the same race  LOL

rudyard lake, beat up to top mark, tack and beat back  Tongue
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

All the inland clubs I have ever sailed at have had 2,3,4 sometimes 5 or 6 wind directions in the same race 

Or even the same time at different heights up the rig...



Edited by JimC - 06 May 22 at 2:11pm
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Originally posted by sawman

Originally posted by Grumpycat

Eric-e . You must tell me which inland clubs only have two wind directions, I will be there like a shot Smile.
All the inland clubs I have ever sailed at have had 2,3,4 sometimes 5 or 6 wind directions in the same race  LOL

rudyard lake, beat up to top mark, tack and beat back  Tongue

You're right, I should have said 'two sets of wind directions'. :-)

Point is the locals learn this rubbish over a couple (or more)  seasons and become experts at their little pond where they're the bigger fish. Happens in some bays on the sea too. Not very encouraging for newcomers who lose interest before joining the clique.
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Originally posted by eric_c

 
Point is the locals learn this rubbish over a couple (or more)  seasons and become experts at their little pond where they're the bigger fish. Happens in some bays on the sea too. Not very encouraging for newcomers who lose interest before joining the clique.

That's a bit harsh - perhaps you need to join a friendlier club.

Our club handbook actually contains advice on how to sail on the pond and our 'experts' are far more likely to share their knowledge and help people than keep it to themselves.

Some bloke actually wrote a book as a follow on from helping/coaching on how to get grips with the place
Great book for Club Sailors here
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