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    Posted: 27 Mar 22 at 11:15pm
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Originally posted by Cirrus

I don't some how think many of the commentators here are the target market -  and where do they go next with their comments  if the design does go as well as its looks ?  Chewing on wasps comes to mind.   A healthy market usually has more than one or two suppliers after all.....  Wink

Healthy markets like Windows or Android or Apple?

I strongly suspect this is not at all targetted at UK amateur club sailors, our first involvement with it might well be reading about 100 boat regattas full of top sailors in the sunshine.   I have no stake in it, but I'm interested in the technology of it, how well will the thing work? and also I believe in OD racing and think we probably need a new class that serves a range of people a bit better than the *eros. whether this is it, I don't know, but it's time Mr Kirby's magnum opus was moved into the vintage and retro section.

Any chance we could have a little side bet on this ? If LP can get a 50 boat regatta with some big names in within the next year , I will buy you a bottle of your choice. If they don’t you buy me a bottle of half decent champagne. What do you say ?  Smile


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Mike. I should be LP target consumer. I am retired, I have spare disposable income. I want a good quality Una rigged 14 foot singlehander similar to a laser for club racing , but with out the design flaws.
I made my choice last year between the aero and the zero and am more than happy with my choice of the d-zero.
Why would I now choose the Pornstar .?
It’s manufacturer is owned by a man with out any business morals.
The hull shape looks ‘ clumsy’ at best .
The rig looks like a version of the ARC rig designed for LP LASER and that  always looked s@@t .
If it goes as well as it looks , it’s a DOG ! 
Why would I even consider buying one ? 
Plus re a successful market needing more than one builder . I don’t remember the Blaze having more than one builder when you owned the rights ? 





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The point being made seems to be  a 'like' or 'not' one in relation to the supplier .... but what about the product ?  .. If someone else made it would the product be better or not ?  The Laser / ILCA / whatever thing is a corporate nightmare and tale of how NOT to do stuff at every level - yes we know all that as well !     I'm not in favour of the supplier for what's its worth either  .. but then I dislike other boats because of the politics in background (occasionally) involved elsewhere as well.  I'm more interested in the boat design and its characteristics .. and please note I'm NOT in the market for a 'new whatever' anyway ( ....I get my more recent kicks from a Shrimper 19 as much as dinghies these days ..yes really !)..... Wink
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One thing I noticed on the pictures from the show, the locking clips for the wings appear to be 'quick release' toggles from a bike wheel, black anodised aluminium, hopefully will be stainless on production models, going to corrode in the sea else.

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Originally posted by Cirrus

I don't some how think many of the commentators here are the target market -  and where do they go next with their comments  if the design does go as well as its looks ?  Chewing on wasps comes to mind.   A healthy market usually has more than one or two suppliers after all.....  Wink

Personally Mike, I’d rather chew a wasp than buy a boat (or anything else) from someone who, granted a monopoly, then decided not to pay that grantee their royalties for 10 years was it? (and probably other suppliers too).

What’s healthy about that as a business ethic?

We have plenty of suppliers of new single handers I’d sail, although I’m saving a Solo until my 4th qtr-century at the earliest, obvs
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160 plus sailors mainly under 25 enjoying Mr Kirby’s  magnum opus for a third weekend in a row, still live, kicking and flourishing

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Originally posted by Cirrus

I don't some how think many of the commentators here are the target market -  and where do they go next with their comments  if the design does go as well as its looks ?  Chewing on wasps comes to mind.   A healthy market usually has more than one or two suppliers after all.....  Wink

Healthy markets like Windows or Android or Apple?

I strongly suspect this is not at all targetted at UK amateur club sailors, our first involvement with it might well be reading about 100 boat regattas full of top sailors in the sunshine.   I have no stake in it, but I'm interested in the technology of it, how well will the thing work? and also I believe in OD racing and think we probably need a new class that serves a range of people a bit better than the *eros. whether this is it, I don't know, but it's time Mr Kirby's magnum opus was moved into the vintage and retro section.
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I don't some how think many of the commentators here are the target market -  and where do they go next with their comments  if the design does go as well as its looks ?  Chewing on wasps comes to mind.   A healthy market usually has more than one or two suppliers after all.....  Wink
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Originally posted by fab100

I despise the trend to cancel culture, but I’d happily make an exception when it comes to Rastagar and LP. Hopefully the Pornstar, that seems to me to be an answer looking for a question, is an unmitigated flop such that even one of Dougal’s excellent histories one day deems it not even worthy of a footnote. And hence, our speculations here about it remain only theoretical

If it flops so badly I can get one next year for the price of an old Topper, that would be great.

I wouldn't mind a go in one, that's all.
I can't see me ever buying one, I'm kind of sated with the 'one man, one sail' thing, unlikely to be inspired to spend the price of a half-tidy car in the next few years, and then I'll be too old.
More likely to buy a share in 505 or something!
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I despise the trend to cancel culture, but I’d happily make an exception when it comes to Rastagar and LP. Hopefully the Pornstar, that seems to me to be an answer looking for a question, is an unmitigated flop such that even one of Dougal’s excellent histories one day deems it not even worthy of a footnote. And hence, our speculations here about it remain only theoretical
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